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    A bright spot?

    The Kansas primary this week, that saw a ballot question asking if abortion rights should be removed from the state constitution was rejected---pro-choice advocates rejoiced. Independent of that outcome, I see something else that causes me to rejoice-----independent voters.

    The turnout was similar to presidential elections and multiples of normal primary elections. It also saw 100,000 independent voters turn out for only one reason, to vote on the question. Kansas is a closed primary state.

    I am encouraged by:

    1. The overall turnout
    2. The turnout of independent voters----we can make a difference

    The vote was not immune from what has become a rino trademark---skullduggery.

    A text message sent to some Kansas voters Monday is being called misleading and an outright lie.

    The message urges people to vote yes on the so-called Value Them Both Amendment. The amendment would make clear the Kansas constitution does not grant the right to an abortion.

    The message states, “Women in KS are losing their choice on reproductive rights. Voting YES on the Amendment will give women a choice. Vote YES to protect women’s health.”

    Those arguments, however, are points raised from those urging a ‘no’ vote.

    “This is yet another example of the desperate and deceitful tactics of the Value Them Both campaign, lying to the voters of Kansas,” said Ashley All, spokesperson for Kansans for Constitutional Freedom. “The truth is that voting yes opens the door to a total ban on abortion. A NO vote maintains current regulations on abortion. A NO vote protects our constitutional right to safe, legal abortion in Kansas. A NO vote keeps the constitution unchanged. A NO vote prevents government control over private medical decisions.”
    I hope this is a positive indicator of the power of independent voters
    "A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
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    The upshot is, Democracy works.

    If all the Independents vote in our next Presidential election, America will be better for it.

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    Just as an aside, the men who helped write the Constitution had a perfect horror of democracy.

    These people were extremely well-educated and searched through history to learn what went right and what went wrong with various forms of government. In Classical Athens, they had plenty of examples of what goes wrong with democracy. During the Peloponnesian War, Athens - which was governed by a direct democracy - did some absolutely unconscionable things. Because one of the islands off Greece did not want to be involved in the fracas between Sparta and Athens, the Athenian democracy voted to put all the men of the island over the age of 10 to death and enslave the remainder. After one famous battle was lost to the Spartans, the demos voted to execute the surviving Athenian generals. Stuff like this made people like Madison extremely afraid of popular democracy.

    So they created all sorts of checks and balances, not the least of which was a very elite system of choosing a President - the Electoral College, where the Electors could substitute their choice for President, throwing out the will of the voters if the voters, in the Electors' opinion, had nominated someone unfit for office. A very elitist system but one created by seeing the horror a democracy can become.

    Just a historical perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Grubb View Post
    The Kansas primary this week, that saw a ballot question asking if abortion rights should be removed from the state constitution was rejected---pro-choice advocates rejoiced. Independent of that outcome, I see something else that causes me to rejoice-----independent voters.

    The turnout was similar to presidential elections and multiples of normal primary elections. It also saw 100,000 independent voters turn out for only one reason, to vote on the question. Kansas is a closed primary state.

    I am encouraged by:

    1. The overall turnout
    2. The turnout of independent voters----we can make a difference

    The vote was not immune from what has become a rino trademark---skullduggery.



    I hope this is a positive indicator of the power of independent voters
    Yet you deny being pro-choice. You are a chameleon. And really don't disgust with a response say you were talking about the politics of the issue and not the reality of abortion.
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    Yet you deny being pro-choice. You are a chameleon. And really don't disgust with a response say you were talking about the politics of the issue and not the reality of abortion.
    Understanding anything can be a challenge when you are drunk----maybe things will clear up for you in the morning.
    "A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
    "Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
    “You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Grubb View Post
    Understanding anything can be a challenge when you are drunk----maybe things will clear up for you in the morning.
    LMAO... A true chameleon.
    OPINION....a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honda View Post
    LMAO... A true chameleon.

    Tell me how you come to that accusation.
    "A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
    "Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
    “You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis

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    I don't think I can do that without discussing religion. I'd be glad to PM you my thoughts. But I don't think you'd be receptive to that.
    OPINION....a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honda View Post
    Yet you deny being pro-choice. You are a chameleon. And really don't disgust with a response say you were talking about the politics of the issue and not the reality of abortion.
    I don't take kindly to being accused falsely of something and called names.
    "A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
    "Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
    “You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Grubb View Post
    I don't take kindly to being accused falsely of something and called names.
    You would not have done well in my family.. a difference of opinion came with a serious ration of chit.. and then the ration was returned, with a spicy addition..

    I interpreted the above as someone trying to “get your goat”.. (maybe playing a little rougher than usual (tackle vs flag))

    Brush the dust off and get back in the game..

    I was thrown out of a Mormon (traditionally the one of nicest /polite groups around) funeral.. “I got better “ (Monty Python)

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