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    Human cost

    I watched the news and the Jan 6 hearings yesterday and what struck me most, beyond the sheer outrageousness of some recent events, was the human cost.

    1) Rusty Bowers - this guy articulated precisely the way I felt about my service to my country as a federal employee. He and his family suffered for it. He was deeply angered, you could tell, by the way the Trump horde harassed him, his wife, his gravely ill daughter. No one gave a ****, though, not even people he called his friends. People with guns scaring his neighbors, for God's sake. Because he wouldn't knuckle under.

    2) Brad Raffensberger - he got the same treatment. Did you notice how careful he was when answering Schiff? Schiff asked a question that relied on Raffensberger knowing what was in Trump's mind and Raffensberger very carefully stuck to what he was qualified to speak about - the disposition of the votes. He and his family became targets of the mob - thousands of text messages, phone messages, pornography sent. Hell, the President even helped by posting Raffensberger's personal phone number. What a ****-heel we had for President. And still I see the Trump 2024 flags in my town.

    3) Gabe Sterling - for a Georgia boy, he had no discernible accent. He saw how the lies were whipping people up to violence and called out the President of the United States in a very public way and got the same treatment as the other two.

    4) Shaye Moss and Ruby Freeman. This made me very upset. These women were specifically targeted by the President of the United States of America and the mob set loose on them. Freeman had the straight of it - she said that the President was supposed to protect Americans, all Americans. Trump pointed the mob at her instead. Just to stay in power. Disgusting.

    5) Uvalde. The head of the Texas Public Safety Dept. was visibly emotional when discussing the unfathomable dereliction of duty by Arredondo. All those children, dead because Arredondo was seemingly occupying a job where he could collect a paycheck instead of protect people. I don't know how Arredondo can continue in any capacity in that town. All those parents, demanding answers for their dead children. I cannot imagine the pit of horror they are in and it keeps getting deeper every day as more and more is known. Like someone being tortured and the torture never ends.

    Yesterday was a very sad day if you look at the people suffering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin View Post
    Uvalde. The head of the Texas Public Safety Dept. was visibly emotional when discussing the unfathomable dereliction of duty by Arredondo. All those children, dead because Arredondo was seemingly occupying a job where he could collect a paycheck instead of protect people. I don't know how Arredondo can continue in any capacity in that town. All those parents, demanding answers for their dead children. I cannot imagine the pit of horror they are in and it keeps getting deeper every day as more and more is known. Like someone being tortured and the torture never ends.
    Chief Arrendondo was recently sworn in as a member of the Uvalde City Council in May...He just requested a leave of absence from that position which was unanimously denied...
    A motion was unanimously denied to grant a leave of absence to the newly elected council member, who was not present Tuesday night. Per city council rules, there is a $2 fine for missing council meetings, and after three missed meetings, the other council members can vote to have a member removed from their post.
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    You captured well Kevin the proceedings of yesterday's committee meeting----but failed to carry the absolute emotional impact of the testimony. To be fair, I don't expect that even as crafty a wordsmith as you, that emotion could be fully described. I wish everyone would take the time to listen to these proceedings, I regard it as a civil duty.
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    I found myself so angry yesterday about both these events. The fact that the President of the United States would focus a mob on another American citizen was so infuriating. The people that Rusty Bowers knew and worked with for years and whom he considered his friends, betraying him by either keeping silent or helping put pressure on him for a corrupt President. A man has to wonder how he so misjudged people when that happens. And the people in these mobs, chanting outside election officials houses, forcing their way past cancer-ridden family members of these officials to enter houses forcibly, sending pornography and death threats because one corrupt man appealed to their worst instincts - how do these people come to be? A woman who cannot go out in public, who has suffered health problems because of this corrupt man, hiding lest someone recognize her or say her name and she might be set upon. A mother whose name was dirtied and who was called a crack user, in the cause of one corrupt man trying to cling to power against the will of the people.

    And police officers willing to let children die rather than face danger themselves. Police lying about her craven actions, trying to avoid blame. Children dead because the police were too frightened to do their jobs.

    I have to stop. I'm making myself angry again and I don't want to be.

    Maybe what it is all about is the sworn oath and how important that is to making our country work. Bowers refused to break his oath. Raffensperger refused, Sterling refused. Moss and Freeman stood by their oaths. They all held firm and righteous. The police in Uvalde did not. I guess I can take some comfort in seeing what happens when oaths sworn mean something and learn a lesson from seeing what happens when those oaths mean nothing.

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    I have come to the point where I absolutely ( and this is being polite) detest Trump, his enablers and the mob that follows him. Even when I have vehemently disagreed with policies and results of previous administrations and votes it never would have occurred to me to verbally or physically assault other Americans. Topping it off is the open willful subverting of the rule of law and the US Constitution. Tossing them in jail and throwing away the key for their actions would be just fine with me.
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    These hearings have exposed a level of unchecked corruption at the very top of our government that is being exposed as worse than even I thought it might be----and more blatant. trump in his unlimited arrogance running around EXPECTING people to break their oath, their ethics, and their principles for no reason other than he demanded it. Sadly---trump can't even begin to understand that----to him these people were just being "stupid". Ms Moss and her mother have more character in one finger than trump could even imagine.

    One of the stronger feelings I have watching these proceedings is profound shame in what we have stooped to---what trump has dragged us down to. I had tears running down my face yesterday as Ms Moss and her mother spoke-----her Grandmother terrified inside her own house by the goons following trump. What the f*** are we doing?

    I wish that the good people that have been sucked into the cult of this POS would watch these events, I am convinced that many of them would hang their heads in shame and they would see trump for the scum he is and turn their back on this devil
    "A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
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    “You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truckman View Post
    Chief Arrendondo was …Not a popular human being (I almost called him a man, then thought better of it) at all in any crowd......Ben
    I think Human Being is a bit of an overstatement. Not sure I could properly define it, though
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