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    The diminishing stature of the Supreme Court

    It also seems emblematic of a court on which the justices are increasingly willing to behave as partisan actors rather than impartial judges.
    That statement was prompted by Justice Gorsuch's appearance, the only judge not wearing a mask for these arguments.

    Gorsuch had to know that his masklessness could make other justices uncomfortable, including the 83-year-old Stephen Breyer and the 67-year-old Sotomayor, who has diabetes, a Covid risk factor. Sotomayor sits next to Gorsuch on the bench and, notably, chose not to attend Friday’s argument in person. She participated remotely, from her chambers.
    During the first hour of last Friday’s two-hour argument, Sotomayor listed the evidence of Covid’s continuing threat, to illustrate the benefits of a vaccine mandate. (Yesterday, the court ruled in the case, blocking Biden’s vaccine mandate for large employers, while allowing a narrower one for health care providers. Gorsuch opposed both mandates, while Sotomayor favored both.)

    In making the case for mandates last week, Sotomayor first noted that Covid cases were surging and hospitals were near capacity. She then turned her attention to children: “We have over 100,000 children, which we’ve never had before, in serious condition and many on ventilators.”

    That last sentence is simply untrue.

    PolitiFact called it “way off.” Khaya Himmelman of The Dispatch described it as false and misleading. Daniel Dale of CNN wrote that Sotomayor had made “a significant false claim.” Glenn Kessler, The Washington Post’s fact checker, called it “wildly incorrect.”

    Fewer than 5,000 U.S. children were in the hospital with Covid last week, and many fewer were in “serious condition” or on ventilators. Some of the hospitalized children probably had incidental cases of the virus, meaning they had been hospitalized for other reasons and tested positive while there.

    Covid, as regular Morning readers have heard before, is overwhelmingly mild in children, even those who are unvaccinated. The risks are not zero, and they have risen during the current wave of infections, especially for children with major underlying health problems. But the risks remain extremely low.

    Consider these numbers: Over the past week, about 870 children were admitted to hospitals with Covid, according to the C.D.C. By comparison, more than 5,000 children visit emergency rooms each week for sports injuries. More than 1,000 are hospitalized for bronchiolitis during a typical January week.
    I am sad to say that until recently I held the Supreme Court in high regard---above it's other two counterparts. I could follow differences in individual justices interpretation of both the Constitution and the law because I believed they were fundamentally based on the supremacy of the Constitution and the law. Sadly, that is no longer my belief. The court is now so fundamentally rooted in partisan politics that it serves not the nation but their particular political system.
    "A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
    "Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
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    You got to be kidding. It's been like that for years and years.

    On edit-I might add that the local federal district courts have been even worse regarding partisan rulings.
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    Yes.. Court has been partisan for years..

    Gorsuch and masks is not about Gorsuch rights, it’s about his consideration.. Gorsuch is sitting next to a high risk colleague he should wear a mask for her..

    IE: we should wear a “real” mask when visiting a cancer patient.. not or us, for them..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandman View Post
    Yes.. Court has been partisan for years..

    Gorsuch and masks is not about Gorsuch rights, it’s about his consideration.. Gorsuch is sitting next to a high risk colleague he should wear a mask for her..

    IE: we should wear a “real” mask when visiting a cancer patient.. not or us, for them..


    Plus, Roberts should make masks a requirement!
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    I am going to hold to my original statement. The current court is so politized that it is rather easy to forecast an outcome for any case being heard.
    "A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
    "Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
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    A recent historical review of the Supreme Court:

    While the recent extremes to which Senate Republicans have gone to dominate the Supreme Court have made the seats seem simply to reflect political parties, in fact Breyer’s history on the court shows how American democracy and, with it, the Supreme Court, have become partisan since the 1980s.
    Breyer has always been adamant that the court must not be political. Instead, he has advanced a strong defense of democracy, arguing that the main achievement of the Constitution was to set up a system that would accommodate the changing needs of the American people. To that end, he is a scholar of administrative law, examining the detailed ways in which our system works.
    Democratic President Bill Clinton appointed Breyer to a seat formerly held by Harry Blackmun, who had been appointed by Republican President Richard Nixon. Blackmun was a justice in the days when it made sense for a Republican to support measures that defended civil rights: he was the author of the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision protecting a woman’s right to choose an abortion. So the seat, itself, has been characterized by pragmatism and moderation, rather than political affiliation, since the 1960s.
    Clinton appointed Breyer to the court after President Ronald Reagan had set out to change the Supreme Court to reorder the nature of the country. From 1954 until 1987, the prevailing principle of the court was that it must protect civil rights, especially when state legislatures discriminated against certain populations. Using the Fourteenth Amendment’s declaration that all Americans should enjoy equal protection under the law and receive due process of the law before losing any rights, the Supreme Court stepped in to try to make sure that all Americans were treated equally before the law.
    Americans who resented the court’s protection of equal rights insisted that the justices protecting civil rights were “legislating from the bench,” or were exercising “judicial activism” by changing laws that the people’s elected representatives had enacted. They insisted that the court must return to enforcing the letter of the law, simply interpreting what the Framers had written in the Constitution, as they had written it. That view of the Constitution would erase the expansion of civil rights—desegregation, interracial marriage, access to birth control, and so on—that the post–World War II Supreme Court had enshrined into law. Those who embraced this literal version of the Constitution called themselves “originalists” or “textualists,” and their intellectual representative was Justice Antonin Scalia, appointed to the Supreme Court in 1986 by Republican President Ronald Reagan.
    Breyer is an intellectual counterpoint to Scalia. In a book Breyer wrote in 2005, he took on originalism with his own interpretation of the Constitution called “Active Liberty.” Breyer explained that we should approach constitutional questions by starting at the beginning: what did the Framers intend for the Constitution to do? Their central goal was not simply to protect liberties like free speech or gun ownership, he argued; their goal was to promote democracy. All court decisions, he said, should take into consideration what conclusion would best promote democracy.
    The conviction that the point of the Constitution was to promote democracy meant that Breyer thought that the law should change based on what voters wanted, so long as the majority did not abuse the minority. Every decision was complicated, he told an audience in 2005—if the outcome were obvious, the Supreme Court wouldn’t take the case. But at the end of the day, justices should throw their weight behind whichever decision was more likely to promote democracy.
    That idea honored the changing necessities of the modern world and thus stood against the originalists. Although that vision was not always aligned with the Democratic Party, it was firmly rooted in the idea that the point of the Constitution was to anchor a nation in the voice of its people.
    Now, of course, thanks to the three justices former president Donald Trump added to the Supreme Court, originalists have a strong majority of six of the nine seats on the court. Biden will undoubtedly try to counter those originalists with a justice who embraces a vision more like Breyer’s, but it would be a mistake to see this as a question of partisanship so much as a question of what, exactly, the American government should look like.
    Should the federal government be able to protect equality before the law, or should state legislatures be able to do as they wish? In the last year, the right-wing majority on the Court has allowed the state of Texas to undermine the constitutional rights of women, established by Blackmun’s decision in Roe v. Wade, and has indicated it will challenge the ability of Congress to delegate power to regulatory agencies in the executive branch, thus hamstringing the modern government.
    Breyer’s successor will, almost certainly, stand against such “originalism.”
    My personal preference for SCOTUS is to be "conservative"--but that does not mean "legislating from the bench".

    A related issue that concerns me and I believe ultimately will depend on SCOTUS to resolve is the move by the executive branch to construct an "administrative government"----it was and should continue to be the purview of Congress to pass laws---not some political hack sitting in an appointed position in some government agency.
    "A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
    "Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
    “You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis

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    Does anyone else smell the VP as the next candidate for the court???? Just so da prez can say he kept a campaign promise...

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    I don't want to even think in those terms!

    If a black woman is the defining criteria, there are far more qualified for that position than the current VP---besides that they would have to find her to stop by to be sworn in.

    I read the bios of the short list in the WSJ this morning and on the face of it they all seem to be the equal to the more recent appointees.
    "A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
    "Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
    “You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis

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    Let's assume that biden wants to get rid of harris . IF , he were to put her in for the Supreme Court , as has been rumored , would she have to give up the VP position prior to the confirmation , or could she hang on . That would in fact defeat bidders chance of replacing her since there is no way [ as I see it ] she could get confirmed.
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    It should be illegal for a particular race to be a deciding factor. It probably violates more than one law.
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    And I give you Mazie Hirno , Don't follow the law when passing judgement consider the feelings .

    ��Dem Senator Says Breyer’s Replacement Should Not Make ...
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    On Wednesday, appearing on MSNBC, Senate Judiciary Committee member Sen. Mazie Hirono (D-HI) said she would like Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer’s replacement to “consider the impact … on people in our country so that they are not making decisions just based on” the law.
    Individual rights are protected only as long as they don't conflict with the desires of the state .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    It should be illegal for a particular race to be a deciding factor. It probably violates more than one law.
    Agree... no clue why he promised that.

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    In a practical sense I don't know how anyone would ever be able to prove that Biden ignored all other non-blacks.

    This discussion brings Thomas to mind---he just might be the worst justice on the SCOTUS bench.
    "A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
    "Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
    “You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Grubb View Post
    In a practical sense I don't know how anyone would ever be able to prove that Biden ignored all other non-blacks.

    This discussion brings Thomas to mind---he just might be the worst justice on the SCOTUS bench.
    Justice Thomas is a brilliant jurist. Just because you don't like how he rules does not make him a bad Justice.
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    And your opinion is just that, your opinion....and I have mine.
    "A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
    "Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
    “You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis

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