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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Grubb View Post
    There should be a law, anyone voting for, advocating for or declaring war will be part of the first wave of troops.
    I'll vote for that. And in the trench not pushing paper in some office stateside.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Honda View Post
    The latest I'm hearing is that the Biden administration is trying to talk the Ukraine into ceding some territory back to Russia
    You mean, like Crimea that the Russians have already taken away, which was one of the most vital parts of the Ukraine?
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    I would classify that as fake news .....link please.
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    The red-headed spokesperson for the White House said it wasn't true so it must not be true.
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    Sorry, hearsay doesn't cut it
    "A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
    "Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
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    I took the time that you should have taken:

    You must have "misunderstood" what the lady said

    White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki categorically denied on Thursday that President Joe Biden is pressuring Ukraine to cede land to Russia in an effort to reduce tension in the area.

    Tensions between Ukraine and Russia are mounting and officials are concerned Russia could invade the eastern part of Ukraine. Psaki made it clear on Thursday that the United States expects Russia to respect Ukraine's border and Biden is hoping to resolve the tension with diplomacy,

    That diplomacy doesn't include pressuring Ukraine to cede territory to Russian-backed groups, according to Psaki. When asked about reports the United States is pressuring Ukraine to give up land to Russia as a means of deterring an invasion, Psaki said that is not true, calling it "absolutely false."
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    I found one rather obscure reference to this in an AP report:

    Administration officials have suggested that the U.S. will press Ukraine to formally cede a measure of autonomy within its eastern Donbas region, which is now under de facto control by Russia-backed separatists who rose up against Kyiv in 2014. from the AP.
    This seems not to have been substantiated by any other source. Even in the AP report it is highly "qualified".

    Unnamed "administration officials" to me is akin to a chit house rumor (or put more politely, said by some minimalist reporter, to fool the boss into thinking they did something) not to mention, if you follow this closely, you will see that those two small entities already have autonomy from Kiev.
    Last edited by Dave Grubb; 12-11-2021 at 12:20 PM.
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    Joe Biden once denied pressuring Ukrainian officials to save Hunter’s phony-baloney job, his 10% cut and Hunter’s oligarch employer despite publicly bragging about effectively doing so. I do not believe anything Joe says about his dealings with Ukraine…or anything else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Grubb View Post
    I took the time that you should have taken:

    You must have "misunderstood" what the lady said



    Added in edit:

    I found one rather obscure reference to this in an AP report:



    This seems not to have been substantiated by any other source. Even in the AP report it is highly "qualified".

    Unnamed "administration officials" to me is akin to a chit house rumor (or put more politely, said by some minimalist reporter, to fool the boss into thinking they did something) not to mention, if you follow this closely, you will see that those two small entities already have autonomy from Kiev.
    I am glad that I don't live in the cesspool of geriatric anger and misery that you demonstrate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Honda View Post
    I am glad that I don't live in the cesspool of geriatric anger and misery that you demonstrate.
    You are a real class act
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    I also agree with Joe. We shouldn't fight others' battles. If we are not directly assaulted, we should only use diplomatic measures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UTAH View Post
    I also agree with Joe. We shouldn't fight others' battles. If we are not directly assaulted, we should only use diplomatic measures.

    Hunter
    I agree with you Ute with very very small exceptions.
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