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    Obituary of the republican party

    Read slowly and absorb what is being said here:

    A GOP that once prided itself on its intellectual debates is now ruled by the turgid formulations of what the Soviets would have called their “leading cadres,” including ideological watchdogs such as Tucker Carlson and Mark Levin. Like their Soviet predecessors, a host of dull and dogmatic cable outlets, screechy radio talkers, and poorly written magazines crank out the same kind of fill-in-the-blanks screeds full of delusional accusations, replacing “NATO” and “revanchism” with “antifa” and “radicalism.”

    Falling in line, just as in the old Communist Party, is rewarded, and independence is punished. The anger directed at Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger makes the stilted ideological criticisms of last century’s Soviet propagandists seem almost genteel by comparison. (At least Soviet families under Brezhnev didn’t add three-page handwritten denouncements to official party reprimands.)

    This comparison is more than a metaphor; it is a warning. A dying party can still be a dangerous party. The Communist leaders in those last years of political sclerosis arrayed a new generation of nuclear missiles against NATO, invaded Afghanistan, tightened the screws on Jews and other dissidents, lied about why they shot down a civilian 747 airliner, and, near the end, came close to starting World War III out of sheer paranoia.

    The Republican Party is, for now, more of a danger to the United States than to the world. But like the last Soviet-era holdouts in the Kremlin, its cadres are growing more aggressive and paranoid. They blame spies and provocateurs for the Capitol riot, and they are obsessed with last summer’s protests (indeed, they are fixated on all criminals and rioters other than their own) to a point that now echoes the old Soviet lingo about “antisocial elements” and “hooligans.” They blame their failures at the ballot box not on their own shortcomings, but on fraud and sabotage as the justification for a redoubled crackdown on democracy.

    Another lesson from all this history is that the Republicans have no path to reform. Like their Soviet counterparts, their party is too far gone. Gorbachev tried to reform the Soviet Communist Party, and he remains reviled among the Soviet faithful to this day. Similar efforts by the remaining handful of reasonable Republicans are unlikely to fare any better. The Republican Party, to take a phrase from the early Soviet leader Leon Trotsky, should now be deposited where it belongs: in the “dustbin of history.”
    I do feel like an orphan at this point
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    To be devoured by the People's Democratic Party perhaps?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    To be devoured by the People's Democratic Party perhaps?
    To offer possibly a more accurate description of my feelings---it is as if I am outside my own house, standing in the yard and looking through the windows at those inside---and I don't recognize them, it is no longer my family

    I am not going to move across the street but I also cannot condon what is going on. To censure anyone who does not toe a very narrow ideological line and do so while saluting an orange god is not a party I want to be part of. I also believe that there are far more like me that will make the same move. I'm afraid my old house needs to be burned down.
    "A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
    "Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
    “You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis

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    The Russian analogy goes further. Russia's hardliners hurt the country to the point where now, Russia's power internationally is a negative one only. They can mess things up, play a spoiler role, keep other countries from achieving any goals, but Russia doesn't have the power to exert in furtherance of it own objectives.

    If the Republicans keep praying at the altar of Trump (and based on the golden statue of Trump that just got unveiled at CPAC, they seem to be headed down that road) I think they will become a permanent minority opposition party, able only to keep things from happening, not able to effect any ideologic vision of America.

    Does anyone know what Republicans actually stand for these days? The platform it ran on last year was pretty much "whatever Trump says".

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    You two partisans won’t listen to the actual real-live ones here. What’s the point of discussing politics with either of you?
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    I'll continue to vote Republican because it still beats the alternative.
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    Not if there is a new reasonable alternative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Grubb View Post
    Not if there is a new reasonable alternative.
    I don't see that happening. Third parties haven't proven viable. I think it much more likely that the radicals will split off to form a Trump party and the Republicans will reform.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CactusCurt View Post
    You two partisans won’t listen to the actual real-live ones here. What’s the point of discussing politics with either of you?
    Well, in fairness, the same could be asked of you. I've explained my positions carefully and completely. Why don't you agree with me? LOL!!!

    partisan: noun
    A strong supporter of a party, cause, or person.

    I don't think I can be said to be a strong supporter of a party, cause or person. I'm strongly against the sort of nonsense Trump sold for four years, but there were some things he did I agreed with (though I didn't like the method of implementation). I support some Democratic programs, but I'm against abortion and increasing the minimum wage and the New Green Deal. So I think you are inaccurate when you call me partisan. I pick and choose.

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    My main issues with those two is how they denigrated masking and social distancing in lockstep with Trump. Neither are as polarizing as Trump so there is a good chance for them in 2024. Nikki Haley hasn't got a chance after dissing Trump.

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    I tend to think, that after looking at the " science " they decided that allowing people to make an informed decision was in the best interest of their respective States. At this point , it looks as if they were correct , however , it may take more time to finally determine if they were correct.
    Individual rights are protected only as long as they don't conflict with the desires of the state .

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    Wellllllll,

    Death rate per capita in South Dakota was the highest in the nation a couple months ago. As was Florida's over the summer. I don't think anyone is going to put these two up for any awards on handling the pandemic.

    But by the same token, my governor got an award for his handling of the pandemic and we are only now learning the extent of his crimes.

    I'll be glad when this time is behind all of us.

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    In order to quantify the death rate , it would be useful to know the age and underling factors that contributed to it.

    Also , population wise , those states with a lesser population would have a higher per capita rate [ with fewer deaths ] than the states with a larger population. In that case S D may actually have been a safer place to live. Floridas rate on the other hand could very well have been influenced by the influx of summer tourism and Spring Break
    with the non Floridians spreading the WO HAN VIRUS to an older population while the younger " guests " were not as vulnerable .

    Who knows ?...... I also agree , I will be overjoyed when we are finished with this.
    Individual rights are protected only as long as they don't conflict with the desires of the state .

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    The Spring Break excuse misses the point that, had DeSantis enforced social distancing and masking, there would not have been the sort of transmission you hypothesize.

    I've heard the "underlying factors" angle before and it is a dodge, in my opinion. People may have had COPD, perhaps, but until COVID came along, they were alive. Getting COVID ended that, so blaming underlying factors is back to the canard that unless someone died of only COVID, then you can't count that as a COVID death. That ricocheted around the conservative sites but it is false. It was an attempt to minimize the pandemic for the benefit of Trump.

    Per capita statistics work the opposite as you describe. Per capita statistics put bigger states and smaller states on the same footing by factoring out differences in the size of populations. Consequently, SD, for example, saw fewer overall deaths but as a percentage of it's population, had the highest rate in the country in December. Noem also refused to cancel Sturgis, which became a superspreader event for other states as participants went home.

    Both of these two actively denigrated the severity of the pandemic as well as basic public health measures and their populations suffered. Both will need major efforts made on their behalf to make that history go away.

    Seems to have started, though.

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    Are you denying that co-morbidities are a risk factor in dying from covid?

    Everything I have seen says that if you are old or frail, you have a higher chance of dying. I believe here in Colorado, something like 78% of the dead are over 70.

    I anxiously await an honest analysis of what happened. I don’t think we will get it because the usual suspects spinning yarns in support of their agenda.
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