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I saw a clip of thousands of migrants moving through Central America on the way to the US. In the clips I saw local law enforcement beating them with sticks as they tried to push through. I am hoping that after Wednesday President Biden will call for an immediate ceasing of the violence against these migrants which could impede their movement to the US and to become citizens.
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That's a real shame---those poor souls
Obviously, they haven't heard that trump built a wall thirty feet high from sea to sea which was paid for by Mexico out of the kindness of their hearts and in honor of trump
Such a shame---but then again some of them might be coming in search of their kids--it would be nice if we could find em
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
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From what I've read, many of these people are fleeing areas without enough food or are overrun by criminals preying on them and getting no help from a moribund government. Yes, stopping the beatings would be a boon to them. I wonder how a person who has endured so much would react to even the smallest of human kindnesses - just being allowed to live without violence.
And whoever gives one of these little ones even a cup of cold water because he is a disciple, truly, I say to you, he will by no means lose his reward.”
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I don't believe anyone would set out on a trek like that if they thought they had any other options---that has to be the ultimate in desperation.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
"Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
“You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis
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I read somewhere that one of the Biden Administration officials said that they weren't ready yet for this amount of migrants trying to enter the country. I would suggest as soon as President Biden takes office that he reallocate as many covid vaccines that would be necessary to vaccinate all of these migrants as they are being welcomed to our country. I also hope that the new Administration will build receiving homes for these migrants near the border somewhere in the line of a mid-level hotel group so that they will be comfortable while their admission is being expedited.
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40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
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AmenOriginally Posted by Kevin
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Now if there was the same amount of compassion for the thousands of homeless AMERICANS , many then I could say a good thing about biden. Oh, and Trump was no better where homelessness was concerned .
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WOW things have changed towards migrants it use to be yea Trump now its poor souls let them all in and give them housing and comfort. Probably won't even check any of them just open the flood gates. Sounds like the politicians nobody can make up their mind. You can forget the Americans IV they had their chance!
This is your mind on drugs!
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IV---I did not mention our "own" homeless since that isn't what we were discussing. However, I have the same compassion for them as a group---with the understanding there are some that choose that life.
I am also not suggesting we open the borders and invite the world in--we need not only to be compassionate, we need to be responsible.
I firmly believe the "solution" to the migration from the south lies at the source. Help fix the problems were they live, including giving them hope for tomorrow and they have no need to try to come here.
How to do that---I don't have that answer, I am an engineer not a sociologist. If I were to venture a guess, I would imagine it like helping a man out of a deep hole with unscaleable walls--pass a ladder down to him and then the exit from that hole becomes his solution and his success---he earned it. Nothing gets fixed without trying.
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"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
"Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
“You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis
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Hey , Hey , Hey , Something we can totally agree on. Could be there is a chance for unity after all.
Individual rights are protected only as long as they don't conflict with the desires of the state .
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I think of my response more in the way I approach the problem than a specific set of policies. There is a moral dimension to the issue which I think should be guiding whatever we decide to do.
Not everything is all about conservative vs liberal. My position on this issue is partly a result of my religion.
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There's a lot to be said for that point of view.
What I'm concerned about is ensuring that if we decide to follow that path, we do so in a way that is morally acceptable. A policy that sought to stem the tide by terrorizing parents through separating them from their parents is not acceptable. In October, emails surfaced that showed that Jeff Sessions, at the behest of Trump, undertook the separations to terrorize parents into not seeking asylum. That is depraved.
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I don't think anyone is calling for an open border.
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I also am not in favor of a policy that just clamps down on the border and refuses to let anyone in. I realize that is not being called for by anyone here but neither is an open border.
The issue cannot be solved through law enforcement alone. There is a mass migration of people, coming in waves, towards our southern border. King Canute found the limits of his power when he ordered the tide not to come in to shore. Walls, Border Patrol agents, terror campaigns - none of these things will work. What we need to figure out is how to manage the process. It is as impossible to stop as the tide.
I don't agree that illegal immigrants are criminals in the same sense that someone who robs a grocery store is. Yes, they committed a crime by being here but walking over a border uninvited does not make them Dillinger. There's criminals and criminals.
The last thing we need is migrant camps on our border. Those places are hell on earth.
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