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    Efficacy Of Masks

    A study finds 85% of those who caught COVID-19 wore masks...70% “all the time,” 15% “most of the time.” Check out a feature on Tucker Carlson 10/13 on masks 0:38-13:54 —

    https://youtu.be/TPO_3093rxU
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    What's your beef with masks? I wear one because I don't want the damned virus. Not the stupid things you see most folks wearing, but a real 3M N95 mask. Although I'm sure even the flimsy masks offer some degree of protection, especially when it comes to infecting others. Every little bit helps.

    Almost forgot - that whiney voice on Carlson makes me want to puke. Just can't stand listening to him.
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    Disinformation revisited

    Ask trump how it worked out for him----and the rest of his crew.

    Carlson has his job not because he is a gifted journalist or a learned man of science but because he projects the corporate culture like the proverbial parrot. Newtainment on parade.

    As I am sure, you are well aware respiratory born virus is not the sole avenue for infection. I have no idea what "all the time" means, simply because no one wears a mask "all the time", but how do you determine the avenue of infection? Obviously, without that knowledge, you can't determine how much if any a mask might have played. To the 15% most of the time--that means that 49% of the time they don't wear a mask---so what's the point?

    Really Joe, you are better than this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wacojoe View Post
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    There is an exception to just about everything. I don't buy it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wacojoe View Post
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    Really Joe---you might want to check in on Sweden---that star faded.

    Average daily cases rose 173% nationwide from Sept. 2-8 to Sept. 30-Oct. 6 and in Stockholm that number increased 405% for the same period. Though some have argued that rising case numbers can be attributed to increased testing, a recent study of Stockholm’s wastewater published Oct. 5 by the Swedish Royal Institute of Technology (KTH) argues otherwise. An increased concentration of the virus in wastewater, the KTH researchers write, shows a rise of the virus in the population of the greater Stockholm area (where a large proportion of the country’s population live) in a way that is entirely independent of testing. Yet even with this rise in cases, the government is easing the few restrictions it had in place.
    While they remain, at the moment, "better" than the US, that is primarily because the US is so "bad".
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    "A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
    "Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
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    I ordered N95 masks from Amazon the very day I heard about the virus. I wear them everywhere. Might not be effective, but I will live with the fact it makes me feel better, so count me in the wuss crowd. I think to make masks a political thing is wrong headed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wacojoe View Post
    A study finds 85% of those who caught COVID-19 wore masks...70% “all the time,” 15% “most of the time.” Check out a feature on Tucker Carlson 10/13 on masks 0:38-13:54 —

    https://youtu.be/TPO_3093rxU
    A talk radio/TV entertainer is now my go to source for scientific/medical advice? I'd better check with Howard Stern first, just as creditable of a source (also an entertainer, but more entertaining )..

    Seriously.. What Mike said..

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    It was a CDC study, but you can treat it as discredited because a talking head quoted it, if you wish.

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/...mm6936a5-H.pdf

    The CDC has less and less credibility with each succeeding conflicting finding, it seems. Then, if you were paying attention to the Carlson video, you would see the buffoon head of that once August institution, Dr. Redfield testify he puts more stock in masks than any prospective vaccine for the virus. Hope he is not correct and knows something no one else is willing to say.
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    I read through the CDC report its conclusion is that your best defense is hand washing, mask wearing and social distancing. So what's your point?
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    Hell, it's all about politics. The science changes daily. Put the two together and we have the cluster **** we find ourselves in arguing with friends about something completely out of our control.

    Don't worry, it's going to get worse with whatever happens on the second Tuesday in November.
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    Be sure and tell all your Democrat friends to vote on the second Tuesday of November.
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    Looking into the literature has resulted in a change in my thinking. I have become convinced my prior “reasoning” was more from a confirmation bias because I despise wearing a mask than reality based. A bit of history of many prior flu pandemics, their rise and falls, and methodology in fighting them lends me to conclude that masks and other personal hygiene measures are somewhat effective at flattening, if not disturbing, the inevitable Farr’s Law curve. Every bit helps in lessening the effects of the disease, while we wait for the things that will put the COVID-19 pestilence to bed — mutation of the virus, herd immunity & vaccines (which are part of herd immunity).

    I have been wearing surgical masks out of conformity, but my research changes my attitude to one of acceptance of necessity along with better efforts at frequent and more thorough hand washing, which I have to admit at I was terrible.

    I found the article below helpful —
    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/bu...-us-how-127652
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    Quote Originally Posted by wacojoe View Post
    Be sure and tell all your Democrat friends to vote on the second Tuesday of November.
    My bad, not a clue how that slipped in there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wacojoe View Post
    Looking into the literature has resulted in a change in my thinking. I have become convinced my prior “reasoning” was more from a confirmation bias because I despise wearing a mask than reality based. A bit of history of many prior flu pandemics, their rise and falls, and methodology in fighting them lends me to conclude that masks and other personal hygiene measures are somewhat effective at flattening, if not disturbing, the inevitable Farr’s Law curve. Every bit helps in lessening the effects of the disease, while we wait for the things that will put the COVID-19 pestilence to bed — mutation of the virus, herd immunity & vaccines (which are part of herd immunity).

    I have been wearing surgical masks out of conformity, but my research changes my attitude to one of acceptance of necessity along with better efforts at frequent and more thorough hand washing, which I have to admit at I was terrible.

    I found the article below helpful —
    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/bu...-us-how-127652
    You are a good man Joe

    This points out the potential pitfall of accepting someone's interpretation of something (in this case the CDC directive) rather than going to the original source. Today, there are simply no "safe translators".
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