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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Meaning it a respectful way, I think she was America's sweetheart. I really can't think of anyone who would disrespect her.
    I don't feel the same way about her. While I am sorry she passed, and she may have been a force in her earlier life, she just flat pissed me off with her refusal to step down. I thought she was an utter disgrace every time I saw a picture of her sleeping through someone's SC case. If you can't stay awake to do your job, it's time to step down, and that's any job, let alone a job where your job is to decide America's most important cases. Imagine having your case rising all the way to the SC, and she votes against you, and then you see pictures of her asleep during the arguments. How would you feel about that? She held on to that position out of ego. Which is why I think SC Judges should get lifetime appointments that end at 70 years old, just like other mandatory retirements.
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    I'm with you on a mandatory retirement age for all lifetime appointments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    I'm with you on a mandatory retirement age for all lifetime appointments.
    This issue is not limited to the Supreme Court---the same lifetime appointment applies to all Federal Judges. That said, I am weeks away from 76 and not limited, thus "the" age is questionable to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    I'm with you on a mandatory retirement age for all lifetime appointments.
    Yes, last Librarian of Congress stayed way past the time that he should of retired (in 2016 he didn’t understand email or mobile phones).. the position is now for a fixed period..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandman View Post
    Yes, last Librarian of Congress stayed way past the time that he should of retired (in 2016 he didn’t understand email or mobile phones).. the position is now for a fixed period..
    I have to wonder how many Federal Judges fall into that category---many of them can fly beneath the public scrutinizer.

    Added in edit from this morning's briefing:

    Some legal experts have instead suggested term limits. Others argue that judges should have mandatory retirement ages, as they do in Britain. Most legal scholars agree that mandating any such changes would require amending the Constitution, which conditions judges’ tenure only on “good behavior.” And as long as one political party thinks the current arrangement benefits it, as Republicans do now, change will be difficult.
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    Well, sleeping on the job is not good behavior, and would likely result in termination anywhere else. As would drinking on the job. Now I don't fault her for not being able to stay awake during arguments that take forever, she was ill and elderly. I fault her for not realizing she was not doing her job and stepping down voluntarily. Of course, it appears to have worked out for the best this time, but it's time to give them an age limit.

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    Some legal experts have instead suggested term limits. Others argue that judges should have mandatory retirement ages, as they do in Britain. Most legal scholars agree that mandating any such changes would require amending the Constitution, which conditions judges’ tenure only on “good behavior.” And as long as one political party thinks the current arrangement benefits it, as Republicans do now, change will be difficult.
    I am not sure what to make of this NYTs jab at Republicans concerning the age issue of justices. It seems to make the charge that Republicans want aged judges to remain on the bench without mention that with SCOTUS the elder judge is Stephen Breyer @82. I assure you and the Times buffoon who authored that quote that all Republican would cheer the retirement of Breyer and as long as they hold the presidency and the senate they will be happy to replace any old judges that retire. The jab is stooopid.

    I note a trend here that Dave refuses to identify the origins of his NYTs cited quotes. Is it that his paper of record is in such disrepute that he avoids telling us from where it comes?
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    I do that on occasion in an effort to keep the discussion on topic---and avoid the inevitable diversion game as you are now playing--again.

    So Let me fix that for you:

    Some legal experts have instead suggested term limits. Others argue that judges should have mandatory retirement ages, as they do in Britain. Most legal scholars agree that mandating any such changes would require amending the Constitution, which conditions judges’ tenure only on “good behavior.” And as long as one political party thinks the current arrangement benefits it.....change will be difficult.
    Carry on
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    It is a diversion to criticize your source’s obvious idiotic assertion that Republicans want to keep old social activists like Breyer on the court?
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    I will point out to you that I most likely use quotes coming from my other subscribed paper---the Wall Street Journal---more often than the NYT---but you seem to ignore commenting on that.

    I have no problem reading either or both---along with many others. I have enough intelligence and breadth of information sources that I am more than confident that I can discern fact from slanted bull chit. Something, I suspect, I would be incapable of if I only read "comfort" sources that reinforced my position rather than challenged me to reexamine it.
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    "Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
    “You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis

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    In my mind the concept of lifetime appointments was to enable a Judge to rise above the politics of the day without retribution. Well it's obvious that notion has failed miserably. The judiciary is as politicized as I have every seen it from top to bottom. I am fully in support of examining the concept of lifetime appointments. How many years is the sweet spot I don't know. Bankruptcy Judges ( who are not Article 3 Judges) are appointed by the Circuit Court of Appeals who has jurisdiction of the Bankruptcy Court for a period of 14 years and may reapply for another 14 year term as many times as they desire. Maybe something like that could work for the higher courts.
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    You carefully avoided pointing out the charge that Republicans favor old judges now. Are you willing to call that bull chit?
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    I don't have to call it anything. It is the writer's opinion.
    If it troubles you, maybe you should ask yourself why.

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