....that trump would lie to the American people and probably 30% believed him about the covid virus----all recorded by Bob Woodward----I am shocked.
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....that trump would lie to the American people and probably 30% believed him about the covid virus----all recorded by Bob Woodward----I am shocked.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
"Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
“You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis
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Oh but it happened our esteemed representative Schiff has said there's another whistleblower. Oh my oh my Woodward and even the moron FBI agent Peter strzok are all showing their selves up right now. Woodward's employed by the Jeff Bezos owned Washington Post. Of course none of these kinds of things were expected at all right before the election and guess what they won't be the last. Stay tuned I have it on good information that Trump actually had the coronavirus made and distributedOriginally Posted by Dave Grubb
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Don't be shocked, after all he was keeping us safe by not telling us about it. Hope the fool gets voted out.
Fred
"Everyday I beat my own previous record for number of consecutive days I've
stayed alive."
'Take care of yourself, and each other.'
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Makes perfect sense to me."I wanted to always play it down," Trump told Woodward on March 19, even as he had declared a national emergency over the virus days earlier. "I still like playing it down, because I don't want to create a panic."
The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible - Arthur C. Clarke
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Had President Trump been clairvoyant enough to have known that COVID-19 (a name not given the unknown disease at the time) was potentially the most pernicious virus since the Spanish Flu and more virulent than the other recent potential pandemic viruses that petered out, and thus warned “the sky is falling,” what good and useful would have come from it? Know that at that time the mask, wash & distance protocol had never been tried before and remained a theoretical proposal of a 14 year-old school girl from New Mexico in a school science project.
I submit even semi-knowledgeable observers knew the dangers of such diseases and were talking about it on this little website as early as 1/24/20, and none of us here ran for our masks (which the vaunted WHO promptly warned against), distanced and wash profusely.
The only thing to be gained had the President started the panic would have been panic.
http://www.crackerbarrelphilosophers...s-Pathogen-Lab
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I'm sorry gentlemen but I believe that is a failed logic. You can't form and execute an appropriate response when the guy who should be heading that response denies the true scope of the problem.
The claim of causing panic is equally wrong. People who are knowledgeable of a situation and confident that appropriate measures are being taken don't panic.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
"Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
“You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis
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I see the logic behind “playing down” the threat.. Parents have been protecting their kids that way forever.. I’m sure that he had good intentions..
The problem now is that we have learned more about the disease and how to control it yet we have a segment of society that have not adapted to the newer knowledge and continue to act as if the threat is overblown. That segment has become part of the disease threat.. (and this crosses political lines)
Just my opinion, I could be wrong..
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You can’t say on one hand “Trump denied the true scope of the problem,” and on the other hand complain that he knew and lied about it. The two are mutually exclusive. Pick your blame please.
Btw, no one knew the “true scope of the problem” for months. They were only guessing in the time frame of Woodward’s interviews.
With this plague, blaming anyone other than the Chi-Com’s for not stopping it would be like the Aztecs blaming their priests for not eviscerating enough maidens and rolling their bodies down the steps to stop the drought.
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At the point in time of that interview NOBODY knew the true scope of the problem. If I am wrong name me one, just one that did. The Dems have nothing to run on but blame Trump. If they truthfully put out there their true intentions the race would not even be close. Has anybody seen what Biden's tax plan is going to do. If you are willing to look at the true numbers and its effect on the middle class, please do it on an empty stomach.
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You cannot look objectively at the NE and continue in your argument.
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^^^
Please explain your reasoning...
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Compare the statistics between NY and say Texas---while keeping in mind population density. NY got off to a very bad start (and allow me to interject here, had they known more about what they were dealing with it might have been far less traumatic). That ignorance BTW lies right at trump's feet because he apparently knew what they didn't know. In any event, look at the progressions of the cases. Yes---it was bad in NY but they have done a reasonably good job of bringing it under control. If you prefer to look at a more rural state---try Vermont.
I'm reasonably sure that we still have guidelines in effect that are more stringent than most states.
Now I need to go to a Zoom meeting
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
"Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
“You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis
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The true scope of the virus problem was wildly overblown by everyone.
"Back after 5 years. I thought you had died.
don"
Splitting my time between the montane and the mesas
The woods are lovely, dark and deep.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.
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Not everyone lives were you do---tell that to someone in the Bronx and see their reaction.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
"Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
“You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis
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So Trump downplayed it to keep people from a nationwide panic. As it was, we still couldn't find toilet paper or paper towels for months. Many Presidents have downplayed financial crisis' to avoid panic and runs on the bank. Let's remember what everyone else was doing while Trump was downplaying it. Biden was calling Trump Xenophobic for halting travel from China. Pelosi was telling people to go to Chinatown and party. Cuomo was telling NY'ers they were tougher than the virus and should just go about their business as usual, go out and party. Then he sent thousands of infected people into nursing homes to create mass slaughter of the elderly in the homes. Oh, and Fauci, he was out telling people not to wear masks.
So excuse me if I don't get worked up over Trump saying it's about like the flu....
"Illegal Immigrant" is not a race....
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