And, today, Fauci is still winning. Trump, not so much.
Hunter
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And, today, Fauci is still winning. Trump, not so much.
Hunter
I don't care if it hurts. I want to have control. I want a perfect body. I want a perfect soul. - Creep by Radiohead
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trump has played his own tune to this----and he can't even read the music.Originally Posted by wacojoe
As for the testing---you need to look deeper into those numbers. First of all---we were dreadfully slow coming out of the blocks, now we are playing catch up with the pandemic back in full force---because we did not take the necessary measures to control it---as have so many other countries. You might find this of interest.
Compare the US to western Europe. We have little to crow about other than to applaud the health care workers that are dealing with this on a daily bases---and again with insufficient PPE.
All of this while trump continues to deny the seriousness of this. You might want to go back to April and read his proclamations about how this would all be gone before now.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
"Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
“You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis
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..and here is an update on how well we are doing:
...and now this:The administration has ordered hospitals to bypass the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and send all virus data directly to Washington. The move breaks with longstanding tradition and alarms health experts who fear the data will be politicized or withheld from the public.
Last edited by Dave Grubb; 07-15-2020 at 12:55 PM.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
"Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
“You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis
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That graph documents our superior testing totals. U.S. new cases are still 6.58% of those tested (from your cite JH above) if you chose to ignore the reports out of Florida yesterday, which show that 100% of their results are reported as positive from over 300 testing centers! Obviously, those reports are bogus and go into your charts above. 6.58%, if even accurate, is in the low middle of countries represented in your charts and are only on the new cases where the pandemic is a rolling event geographically. Find a chart of ALL THE CASES EVER IN TOTO, and it would have more meaning how we stand than just the new ones. Btw, I hasten to reiterate that case numbers mean zip, the meaningful figure is of serious cases and deaths. The vast majority are no effect or mild. In fact, if the “herd immunity” theory has efficacy, the more cases the better.
It stands to reason and is expected that infection outbreaks move like a wave, at least in first wave events. Nothing we see here is unexpected and is a pattern worldwide if viewed in proper timeframes and accounting for discrepancies with both testing variances and reporting.
It seems your primary criticisms with President Trump are centered on how he talked about the disease. I agree. He downplayed the coming catastrophe as did every single politician you want to name. Pelosi promoted gatherings in China Town as it rolled out. Biden castigated Trump for banning travel from the source, his friends and family benefactors in Red China. Comrade DeBlasio poo-pooed it as did Cuomo. All mistakes. Trump’s errors of form have little to do with stimming off China’s gift though. Once they released it, it was inevitable it would get here. Trump’s travel bans from both China and Europe undoubtedly bought some time, but in today’s world it was bound to get here (intentionally) after the first source went unconfined to China.
My principal complaint leveled at the Administration was the despicable production of reliable and plentiful testing equipment. Incidentally, the Administration did a bang-up job of rushing manufacture of ventilators, which was an early point of contention. We were caught flat footed on domestic production of drugs and PPP. Terrible vulnerability. Who has been railing against vulnerability to China, and who has not? You seem to object that Trump did not institute proper shutdown procedures quickly enough. I disagree because the populace would not have accepted radical measures until radical intrusion of the disease was evident, and before April, when Trump called for a shutdown, there was no breakout on this continent. First, the president does not institute shutdown procedures — the state and locals do — and second, the body politic would never have bent to that before the pandemic reach our shores in Ernest. I should hasten to point out here that a president can only call for those police measures and has no Constitutional powers of his office to force them, as numerous governors were, and still are, eager to point out.
True, the pandemic is a sh!t storm and in this case it is flowing up. The Democrats are rooting for it.
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“You can vote your way into socialism, but you have to shoot your way out.” — Too fundamental to have an attribution
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What Hunter said...
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Fauci will not be on the ballot.
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“You can vote your way into socialism, but you have to shoot your way out.” — Too fundamental to have an attribution
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When the Republicans dump Trump at the convention, Fauci should be the candidate. Regardless of his ability to govern, he has the trust of the American people.
The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible - Arthur C. Clarke
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What a thought----that would be enough to cause me to join in that covid-19 enriched environment---just to cheer
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
"Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
“You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis
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Good Lord Joe----you mix your own kool-aid
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
"Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
“You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis
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Ewwww, that hurts!Good Lord Joe----you mix your own kool-aid
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“You can vote your way into socialism, but you have to shoot your way out.” — Too fundamental to have an attribution
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I didn't mean toEwwww, that hurts!
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
"Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
“You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis
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Extracted from this morning's WSJ:
The coronavirus crisis continued to drag on Mr. Trump’s chances of winning re-election, with 37% of voters approving of his handling of the continuing outbreak and 59% disapproving. The number of voters who approve of Mr. Trump’s response to the pandemic has steadily dropped, falling 6 percentage points since last month and 8 percentage points since March.
More than 136,000 people in the U.S. have died as a result of the virus and more than 3.4 million people have been infected, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University. As states grapple with how and when to safely reopen, coronavirus cases are increasing across the country, with experts raising alarms about a resurgence of the illness.
Mr. Trump and his top advisers have often played down the threat, saying that the country is recovering from the pandemic. They have also emphasized the importance of reopening the economy.
By more than 2-to-1, voters said they are more likely to vote for a candidate who is more focused on stopping the spread of the virus than on reopening businesses. Nearly three-quarters of voters said they always wear a mask while shopping, working or when they’re around people outside their homes, an 11-percentage-point increase from last month. The share of Trump supporters who say they always wear masks climbed 15 points since June, from 39% to 54%.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
"Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
“You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis
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