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    Whoa! Why Derek Chauvin May Be Not Guilty Of Murder

    Chauvin and one other officer suspected George Floyd was suffering from Excited Delirium Syndrome (ExDS), something with which I am unfamiliar, but is a syndrome usually induced by psycho-active drugs and causes the one suffering from its effects to be especially dangerous to themselves and others. Special protocols are specified for law enforcement officers dealing with such situations. A good argument can be made that Chauvin and the other officers followed those prescribed protocols all the way up to and including prone restraint with knee on the neck. Victims of the syndrome have been known to expire regardless of the restraint methods of LEO’s.

    Perhaps TriGuy and Mike can intervene here with personal knowledge concerning this type encounter.

    https://medium.com/@gavrilodavid/why...ge-2e2ad8d0911
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    All I can tell you is that I was required to take a training course on excited delirium syndrome. Beyond that, I have nothing to offer in his defense. My personal belief is that he is guilty of murder as are the others on the scene who failed to help the victim.
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    No way will the officers be found anything but guilty, guilty, GUILTY. If they were really innocent they would still be sacrificed they need to quit wasting money on lawyers.
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    What would the radicals of the BLM movement do if a jury finds ex-PO Derek Chauvin not guilty? There is quite a lot of evidence to support such a verdict and with which a good defense lawyer can work. He followed Minneapolis PD procedures to the letter and the real autopsy did not find Floyd was “choked to death.” Floyd most likely died of a heart condition exacerbated by massive drug overdose —

    ... “Still photographs are the most powerful weapon in the world. People believe them, but photographs do lie, even without manipulation. They are only half-truths.”...

    https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/08...ing-the-video/
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    Quote Originally Posted by wacojoe View Post
    What would the radicals of the BLM movement do if a jury finds ex-PO Derek Chauvin not guilty? There is quite a lot of evidence to support such a verdict and with which a good defense lawyer can work. He followed Minneapolis PD procedures to the letter and the real autopsy did not find Floyd was “choked to death.” Floyd most likely died of a heart condition exacerbated by massive drug overdose —
    It will be the biggest damn nation wide riot we can't even imagine. These guys will be sacrificed even if they are not guilty, and I think they are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    It will be the biggest damn nation wide riot we can't even imagine. These guys will be sacrificed even if they are not guilty, and I think they are.
    Yep that's why I said they need to quit wasting money on lawyers. This theme is going to continue too, the straight conservative white man is going to have to go into hiding. There will be no justice for all, there will be no equality, ever. The blacks and the liberal idiots that are trying to prove they are not racist, never have been, what a travesty we have, we'll fix it people are going to create a monster and the blacks will take advantage of every bit of it, plus! This Floyd incident has put a wedge in race relations that may never allow us to come together, segregation has returned as a necessity for the white man.
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    Two of the arresting officers’ body cam videos have been leaked, and give the PO’s some evidentiary support.

    https://www.redstate.com/shipwrecked...keith-ellison/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    I have nothing to offer in his defense. My personal belief is that he is guilty of murder as are the others on the scene who failed to help the victim.
    What Mike said..

    Having no formal training (and as a juror) I believe that George Floyd was mentally ill at that time.. either naturally or chemically induced but he was sick..

    Just my opinion, I could be wrong..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandman View Post
    What Mike said..

    Having no formal training (and as a juror) I believe that George Floyd was mentally ill at that time.. either naturally or chemically induced but he was sick..

    Just my opinion, I could be wrong..
    Add one more in agreement. When you have someone handcuffed there is no justification to kill them.
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    My opinion - Chauvin and the others did not kill Floyd, they failed to help him from a massive drug overdose. The autopsy confirmed that Floyd did not die of asphyxiation, he died of cardiopulmonary arrest “complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression." The official autopsy report did not tie the heart failure to the large dose fentanyl & methamphetamine that Floyd told the officers he had stuffed up his ass for a quicker and harder high. Any lawyer would relish crossing this doctor on what those drugs do to a heart as opposed to a knee on the back and neck.

    The prosecutors have over-charged Chauvin with murder, when negligent homicide is the appropriate charge. The other three should not have been charged at all.
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    The best rundown of the circumstances of Floyd’s death yet and the basis for the officers’ defense —

    ...When Floyd arrived at the hospital, his blood was drawn. According to the toxicology report, postmortem testing of that blood established the presence of, among other drugs, “Fentanyl 11 ng/mL” (nanograms per milliter). In that regard, tucked away in the report’s “Reference Comments” is this: “Signs associated with fentanyl toxicity include severe respiratory depression, seizures, hypotension, coma and death. In fatalities from fentanyl, blood concentrations are variable and have been reported as low as 3 ng/mL.”

    Got that? According to the toxicology report, which is central to the prosecution’s case, at 11 ng/mL, Floyd had over three times the potentially lethal 3 ng/mL dose of fentanyl in his bloodstream when he arrived unresponsive at the hospital.

    Similarly, the toxicology report also disclosed the presence of methamphetamine, which it states is “capable of causing hallucinations, aggressive behavior and irrational reactions” as well as “restlessness, confusion, hallucinations, circulatory collapse and convulsions.” [The autopsy also revealed the body had cannabinoids present to go with the marijuana pipe found in the car]

    Defense counsel should blow up those sections of the toxicology report to Mount Rushmore–size proportions, hang them on the courtroom wall, and read them every five minutes to the jury. They more than explain Floyd’s bizarre behavior, inability to stand, difficulty walking, and complaints about being unable to breathe while sitting, standing, and lying on the ground.

    Moreover, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, among the most common characteristics of a fentanyl overdose is “foaming at the mouth … and confusion or strange behavior before the person became unresponsive” (emphasis added). In short, Floyd’s foaming at the mouth, incoherence, physical incapacity, non-compliant behavior, breathing difficulty, and rapid downward spiral into unconsciousness and death are fully explained by the toxicological evidence that he had ingested a massively lethal overdose of fentanyl mixed with a smaller dose of similarly dangerous and debilitating methamphetamine. In other words, by the time he first encountered the police, Floyd had already rendered himself a dead man walking and was only minutes away from expiring.

    So, who killed George Floyd? He did..

    https://spectator.org/george-floyd-d...cology-report/
    Admittedly, the optics are bad, but you should not convict on optics.
    I highly recommend reading ALL the article above to get a more complete picture of what happened.
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    I won't pass judgment because that is for the jury who will see ALL the evidence something we are not privy to at this time. But I can say he will be unable to get a fair trial in Minneapolis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Honda View Post
    ...... But I can say he will be unable to get a fair trial in Minneapolis.
    I'd say there is no place in America he can get a fair trial. The media has seen to that. Guilty, or not, he is to be sacrificed to BLM.
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    You would have said that about George Zimmerman who shot Travon Martin and police officer Darren Wilson who shot Michael Brown at one time too and neither of those two deceased were loaded to the gills with illegal drugs nor had the criminal record of George Floyd. Reason finally caught up with and overcame the early hysteria.

    I am wondering what the rest of Minnesota and jury pools thinks of the infamy and misery the riots in Minneapolis brought to their state. I feel certain the case will have to be moved from Minneapolis to somewhere else in the state.
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    Floyd allegedly swallowed several fentanyl pills during the struggle so he wouldn't be charged with them. (and that happens all the time) You can see them on his tongue in the video. He was going to die from that moment on. The man had heart disease and consumed methamphetamine, caffeine, 4 times the lethal level of fentanyl and his system shut down. There was no sign in the autopsy of asphyxiation or strangulation and no damage to the neck or windpipe. While Chauvin may be guilty of not rendering aid appropriately, that is a far stretch to murder. Chauvin's failure to roll Floyd off his stomach and monitor his vitals is disgusting and inappropriate, but Floyd was going to die no matter what he did, IMO. All the defense has to do is get one juror to also believe that and there will be no murder conviction. Just because someone dies in police custody does not mean the police killed him/her. He is overcharged. They should have charged manslaughter or reckless homicide (not knowing Minn. statutes I can't really say which, but this is not murder, IMO)
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