Threshold Question Being Asked: Are Cops Committing Genocide On African-Americans?

[wacojoe]

Way past time to run the numbers starting with “unarmed black Americans killed by police” —

https://youtu.be/33vP7XP8qMs

[Mike]

That was certainly interesting. I wonder if it is true or just another commentator's spin?

[wacojoe]

I’ve read several articles with the same statistics, but this was the first that ran down the circumstances of the 10 deaths in 2019. “Unarmed” does not necessarily mean passive victims, as several tried to run over the officer(s) before they were killed or were in fights with them. The articles and Tucker Carlson each attribute the figures to both a Washington Post data collection derived from CDC data. I cannot attest that the numbers are complete.

I assume many here have seen these numbers (they are no secret), but in the interest of those who frequent news sites that are loath to publish them and are trafficking in the “genocide” rhetoric, I offered it so they might be informed more fully.

[Dave Grubb]

The spin begins in your title Joe--and you did the spinning. "Cops committing genocide", says who? Because the lawyer representing Mr Floyd's family chooses such rhetoric that does not mean it has any factual weight to it---hell that is no different than any of the outlandish things trump comes up with. For the record, his twisting of the "statistics" was shameful.

Genocide defined:

Genocide is an internationally recognized crime where acts are committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. These acts fall into five categories:

Killing members of the group
Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group
Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part
Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group
Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group
There are a number of other serious, violent crimes that do not fall under the specific definition of genocide. They include crimes against humanity, war crimes, ethnic cleansing, and mass killing.

So--is it genocide---not in my book. Now, does that mean it can be dismissed and ignored---not in my book. What is Carlson trying to prove---it sounds to me like he is trying to prove that everyone should just settle down and carry on---no big deal, and there isn't an ounce of surprise in that sir, it is exactly what I would expect of him.

[wacojoe]

You may have skipped the introductory part of the video, where, had you seen it, prominent figures were using the “genocide” term in connection with policing in the U.S. of black Americans. Look at the lead-in shot and you will see Senator Booker and other notables going over the edge. If you query the term in this connection, it is prevalent in the discussions going on even as it is ridiculous, which is the point of this thread and something you pointed out yourself, Dave. No one said a police murder, such as that of Mr. Floyd, is irrelevant, but the statistic show how rare it is in refutation to the meme that it happens often enough to justify mass civil unrest and destruction aimed at bringing down The System.

[Dave Grubb]

I have to confess to not listening closely to senator Booker.
We seem to be on the same page with this one.

[Scooter]

Per the Washington Post, death by cop is down 5.9% in the past five years. I believe that is an improvement on an otherwise abominable statistic. https://www.washingtonpost.com/inves...82b_story.html

According to the FBI statistics, Black murders are on a numerical par with whites who are murdered. The problem is that Blacks are 1/8 of the population of whites, so if you are black, you are 8 times more likely to die in what could be considered a violent manner. Interestingly, the vast majority of Black murders are committed by someone of their own race, which is really the same across the board. Twice as many Whites died at the hands of a black man, as blacks that died at the hands of a white man. https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...ta-table-6.xls
Maybe the Black Lives Matter issue is not a matter of police brutality, though it obviously exists, but more likely a cultural issue of violence. I have some theories that a lot of it stems from education and a lack of fathers in the home, but that could be my own unsubstantiated bias.
These disparities extend to far more than violence, it also encompasses homelessness and drug addiction. Maybe we need to find the root cause, and figure out a way to overcome that to solve a lot of the racial problems.

[wacojoe]

Two black men have had enough of Black Lives Matter lies and post their video exposing them —

https://youtu.be/H1toK3ODe9U

[Mike]

Two black men have had enough of Black Lives Matter lies and post their video exposing them —

https://youtu.be/H1toK3ODe9U

Excellent!

[Dave Grubb]

Exposing lies is fine--and necessary---until the presence of lies and focusing on them moves us to the point of denial of the problems through liberal applications of white wash (pun intended). We have a racial problem, we have racial injustice, and unless we face that, admit it, understand it and decide to fix it---we will just keep coming back here again and again.