This mmight go against Joe's thinking.....

[FredK]

https://www.businessinsider.com/3-bo...spiracy-2020-6

Three former US servicemen and self-proclaimed members of the far-right "boogaloo" movement were arrested on domestic terrorism charges and accused of carrying unregistered firearms and trying to spark violence during protests against police brutality.

According to the charging document, which was reviewed by Business Insider, the three defendants previously served in the US Navy, US Army, and US Air Force.

The filing also noted that the men "self-identified as part of the 'Boogaloo' movement," which prosecutors described as "a term used by extremists to signify a coming civil war and/or fall of civilization." According to the Associated Press, all three men are white.

Ok Joe now what they still all only the far left starting the violence????

[Dave Grubb]

Poke here for more information on this stalwart group.

Last I checked, they are only one of many far right extremists groups that are stirring in this sick pot of racial divisiveness and hatred. To deny the reality of these organizations is to deny mounds of proof.

[wacojoe]

I note that they were arrested. I do not see many Antifa in jail right now, and their fingerprints are all over this episode and many, many others. Whomever is joining in the rampant vandalism, looting & burning must be ferreted out as best we can using all the tools at our disposal even as the “demonstrators” demand we defund (do away with) ALL police and the Mayor of a burning Las Angeles, on blended knee, has surrendered to those demands and stated he is starting the process by transferring $150M of police funding to “community projects.” I also note from my few hours watching innumerable videos of looting and burning a gross lack of anyone resembling white supremacists in them. Perhaps Fred can point to some I missed. I trust the authorities will use their tools to track and prosecute starting with trails left in various communication methods. This will be slow. If Democrats gain control of the DOJ, I say with certainty, it will cease to happen except to “white supremacist” groups.

[Dave Grubb]

Deflection my dear sir---deflection.

[FredK]

Great response Joe. Nothing about owning the fact that not all are the left wingers that you and other claim (Trump) to be.

I'd ask what your thoughts are about the people that were pushed out for the photo op at the church but figured you already have giving up you 1st amendment rights to gather and protest.

[wacojoe]

So, I see you cannot show any videos of the “good ole boys” throw fuel on the fire. Don’t be stupid, any participation or provocation of the widespread violence, theft and destruction in these riots by white supremacists is so minuscule as to be next to nonexistent. Believe your lying eyes who is there doing it.

[Honda]

These two old fools denying antifa's involvement is laughable

[Mike]

Please don't make us start moderating the forum again. The members don't like it, I don't like it, and there is no reason for name calling and personal attacks on other members.

[TriGuy]

Pay Attention the sheriff hath spoken^^

[Honda]

You guys pay attention Dave calls people foolish stupid idiots all the time I'm well willing to play by the rules but I'm tired of being called out.

[wacojoe]

This mess is my first introduction to the Boogaloo movement. I’ll have to trust to what I read in some articles that they are “preparing for a 2nd civil war,” hate government, hate law enforcement, and are somehow erroneously then described as a “far right” organization. What is described is an anarchist organization unfamiliar to me as any part of the right-wing with which I am familiar. I put them in the same category as their fellow anarchists, Antifa, which, while that would be an accurate lumping, would undoubtedly piss both off because if you put them in a room together that would result in them killing each other. Good idea, btw. Anarchists are NOT right-wing unless left-wingers are drawing the chart. Still, both these terrorist groups have the same goal in mind judging from what has been documented on each — destruction of the status quo, the system and our existing government, and both are intentionally loosely organized to more effectively stay hidden and harder to prosecute to destruction. Antifa has gone to great lengths to vet recruits and uses most sophisticated communication means to avoid penetration and detection. They both also see a fine opportunity in the current rage over an unjustifiable police killing segueing on the hells of months of trauma from isolation, fear and financial ruin of a plague.

From my vantage point I can see that the Left-Anarchy crowd have turned their collective backs on the slow Cloward-Piven Strategy of pressuring government to spend our way into ruin on unaffordable social safety net crap in order to build then take control of power to institute hive rule and have now seen their chance to go straight to massive straight-on force and open rebellion to achieve the same purpose. It won’t work, slime balls.

Regardless of designation or goals, I don’t see any people in camo & Hawaiian shirts coming out of ransacked stores or throwing Molotov Cocktails into police cars.

[FredK]

Never said it's one side or the other doing the riot things. Just said both are.

So while I may be left of center and you maybe right neither one of us are far left or right.

As for looters they are nothing more than that looters. The ones starting or trying to start riots should be also dealt with.

Peaceful people marching and demonstration have that right.

Guy that want to have a photo op and forcefully remove those people violated the 1st amendment and should be roved from office.

[wacojoe]

Anarchists are not “one side or the other,” Fred.

[wacojoe]

Former Ferguson Black Lives Matter organizer dishes on The Movement and its white far-left planners —

https://youtu.be/_uEN89y4MvQ

[Scooter]

Perhaps it would help if you thought of political affiliation as a circle, rather than a line. At the top of the circle are the truly moderate, as you move away from the top, it drops down on the left and the right to more liberal and more conservative ideologies. At the bottom, are the whacked groups, like the KKK and Antifa, who are all really closer than they would ever believe, they just took different directions to get to the same point. Meaning, it doesn’t matter if you come from the left, or the right, if you are at the bottom of the circle, committing violence for violence sake, you really should have no place in modern society.