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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandman View Post
    One item that “jumped out” to me was that the Skippers boss, the Admiral down the passageway, was not included in “the” email. To have played the Navy political game required to attain Captain and a major command (at sea).. the exclusion was not just an oversight.. there is “history “ between these two that we are not privee to..

    Just my opinion, I could be wrong..
    That may well be. However, that does not dismiss Modly's actions as a result of anything the Captain did..
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    Modly resigns.

    Acting Navy Secretary Thomas Modly has submitted his resignation a day after leaked audio revealed he called the ousted commander of the USS Theodore Roosevelt "stupid" in an address to the ship's crew, according to a US official and a former senior military official.

    The Navy and Department of Defense did not respond to a request for comment.
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    OPINION....a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.

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    Ben..
    My experience is Naval Aviation.. Squadron reports to a Wing... like Roosevelt reported to Strike Group.. the major plan of movements and actions is by direction from the Strike Group. The Skipper of Roosevelt (and all commands /ships in the Strike Group )should have been speaking to the Admiral and/or his Chief of Staff several times a day.

    The fact that the Strike Group Admiral was not included in the email was intentional.. something happened, there is an issue between the Captain and the Admiral. If the uniformed USN conducts a proper investigation, both the Captain and the Admiral and the Chief of Staff will be asked this.

    Dave, yes, the email violated protocol on a number of levels and the Skipper was in error to have sent what he sent, how he sent it and to whom he sent it. (Was he sacrificing his career for the welfare of his crew.) And he should have known that he would be held accountable for the email.

    Note.. Chief of Staff (Chief Staff Officer) is the person who runs the day to day operations (communication , administration) for the Group. My experience was 6-8 squadrons reporting to a Wing, Wing had a staff with maintenance, operations and administration just like the squadrons and all directives filtered through the Wing.. I’m sure a Strike Group is the same.

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    I frankly have not followed this story very closely and have basically reacted on an emotional level. But I can tell you based on what my son told me who was an officer in the Navy recently that breaking the chain of command is the quickest way to get busted there is. Now that he is a patrol commander in the police department the same applies there also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandman View Post
    Ben..
    My experience is Naval Aviation.. Squadron reports to a Wing... like Roosevelt reported to Strike Group.. the major plan of movements and actions is by direction from the Strike Group. The Skipper of Roosevelt (and all commands /ships in the Strike Group )should have been speaking to the Admiral and/or his Chief of Staff several times a day.

    The fact that the Strike Group Admiral was not included in the email was intentional.. something happened, there is an issue between the Captain and the Admiral. If the uniformed USN conducts a proper investigation, both the Captain and the Admiral and the Chief of Staff will be asked this.

    Dave, yes, the email violated protocol on a number of levels and the Skipper was in error to have sent what he sent, how he sent it and to whom he sent it. (Was he sacrificing his career for the welfare of his crew.) And he should have known that he would be held accountable for the email.
    I agree on all three points, Joe...
    Quote Originally Posted by Sandman View Post
    Note.. Chief of Staff (Chief Staff Officer) is the person who runs the day to day operations (communication , administration) for the Group. My experience was 6-8 squadrons reporting to a Wing, Wing had a staff with maintenance, operations and administration just like the squadrons and all directives filtered through the Wing.. I’m sure a Strike Group is the same.
    It was the same in the USAF using the same terminology...My previous research into WWII showed that ship terminology varied somewhat from aviation-speak, in the same manner as the black shoe Navy differed from the brown shoe Navy...For instance destroyer squadrons (which still exist today) were under the command of a Task Force and were subdivided into divisions which were assigned to Task Groups, all of which were under the command of the Task Force...

    Each squadron, division, wing, group or force has its own commander, each of which occupies a link in the chain of command...That chain is as strong as its weakest link...The real weak link was the acting SecNav who, in my opinion, had no place in the chain...In the end, we're all on the same team with the same goal line......Ben
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    "The only thing that we learn from torture is the depths of our own moral depravity"

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    Quote Originally Posted by TriGuy View Post
    Your kidding! Really???
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    Rep. Dan Crenshaw, R-Texas, a retired Navy SEAL, joined "The Daily Briefing" Tuesday to react to the ouster of USS Theodore Roosevelt commanding officer Capt. Brett Crozier, who sent a critical email to top brass about the need to offload his crew amid the coronavirus pandemic.
    You can read what he had to say HERE

    I just had a thought, surprising, I know!

    What if Crozier was unknowingly influenced by his own infection? Maybe he wasn't thinking clearly because of it. Fever can make you do strange things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Your kidding! Really???
    Lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post

    What if Crozier was unknowingly influenced by his own infection? Maybe he wasn't thinking clearly because of it. Fever can make you do strange things.
    I am unable to answer that from the aspect of the military, but in civilian terms it could be, at very least, questionable.
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    The NYT is reporting that the Navy is considering reinstating Captain Crozier to his command of the Big Stick.
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    The 7-17 Washington Post has a 3/4 page article giving an overview of what has happened.. I can’t link it because all that you will get is an ad for needing a subscription..

    Ship visited Da Nang .. port call was scheduled for months .. three star instructed Skipper to proceed with port call.. x35 sailors stayed in a hotel with two Brit tourists that have since tested positive (may be source)..

    “The “ email with letter attached was sent to several flag officers and CC: several Captain.. flag officer onboard ship was not included..

    If I find a public link, I’ll post it..

    https://news.usni.org/2020/04/17/nav...dore-roosevelt
    Last edited by Sandman; 04-18-2020 at 09:59 AM.

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    Navy review board recommends reinstatement of the Captain
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/24/u...82trV6S89THI6c
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    "The captain broke the chain of command" I've heard that over and over but he's being forgiven because he's apparently politically correct. I guess our armed forces are going to hell in a hand basket also?
    Last edited by TriGuy; 04-24-2020 at 07:23 PM.
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