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    Disproving Trump's Ukraine conspiracy

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    It all centers on this man, Viktor Shokin,

    Petro Poroshenko:

    We are talking only about the reform of the prosecutor office, to make it independent, to make it more transparent.

    Simon Ostrovsky:

    Ukraine's Independence Square, known as the Maidan, was the epicenter of mass protests that toppled the pro-Russian regime of Viktor Yanukovych in 2014 and led to Poroshenko's election. It was also the site of mass killings of protesters by security forces.

    The former prosecutor Shokin's shadow is felt here acutely. In the eyes of many Ukrainians, his biggest failure was that nobody from the former regime was prosecuted for the killing of protesters here on Independence Square.

    Parliamentarian Yehor Soboliev was the first official to demand the prosecutor's dismissal.

    Yehor Soboliev:

    It was time when people strongly hoped that murders here on Maidan will be investigated. It was time when people strongly hoped that great corruption in Yanukovych's presidency will be punished.

    In 2015, I personally initiated the resignation of general prosecutor Shokin.

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    Careful "T"---facts can lead to unintended overdoses of kool-aid
    "A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
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    Yes, it's something to see how the Kool-Aid easily goes down here. This is happening regularly with Trump supporters. For, they've made it clear they do not want to regard the facts. It's amazing what they allow him to get away with.

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    Ok I will take the bait. Two questions. 1. Is it disputed that Joe Biden made the statement regarding withholding funds in relation to the removal of a prosecutor. 2. Is it denied that Joe Bidens son was paid upwards of 50K a month by Burisma. I ask the questions in good faith.
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    Hey say, she say and on and on. If he is bad don't vote for him, if really bad he will not torment us any more.
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    The only thing for sure is that nobody here knows what the whole truth is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CactusCurt View Post
    The only thing for sure is that nobody here knows what the whole truth is.
    And that's the whole truth......Ben
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    It's politics, there is no whole truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CactusCurt View Post
    The only thing for sure is that nobody here knows what the whole truth is.
    OH but they think they do....................
    OPINION....a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.

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    Yes, it's something to see how the Kool-Aid easily goes down here. This is happening regularly with Clinton/Biden/Democratic supporters. For, they've made it clear they do not want to regard the facts. It's amazing what they allow them to get away with.
    This is your mind on drugs!

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    Ahhh… yes - that is what Trump teaches - if attacked, make sure to double down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UTAH View Post
    Ahhh… yes - that is what Trump teaches - if attacked, make sure to double down.

    Hunter
    Actually I learned that trick from Hillary................
    OPINION....a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honda View Post
    Actually I learned that trick from Hillary................
    I thought they taught that in first year law......Ben
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truckman View Post
    I thought they taught that in first year law......Ben
    Ben please leave some of my secrets untold.....................
    OPINION....a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.

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    You guys are making this painful thread enjoyable - cut it out!

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