He paid $1 million for an ambassadorship and bought himself disgrace.
That could apply to a whole litany of people associated with trump
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Mr. Sondland has redeemed himself and salvaged his character--- kudos to him.
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He paid $1 million for an ambassadorship and bought himself disgrace.
That could apply to a whole litany of people associated with trump
Added in edit: 11/05/19
Mr. Sondland has redeemed himself and salvaged his character--- kudos to him.
Last edited by Dave Grubb; 11-05-2019 at 07:04 PM.
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It's looking like Mr Sondlands deposition isn't aligning with testimony from several others. Evidently his efforts to save himself are going to backfire
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Now were all looking for all the bone heads to add to both left and right.
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Is there anything that Trump isn't responsible for or part of? Used to be able to glean information from your posts now all we get is Trump Trump Trump. You're adding proof to your signature if nothing else though.Originally Posted by Dave Grubb
He paid $1 million for an ambassadorship and bought himself disgrace.
That could apply to a whole litany of people associated with trump"Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all."
This is your mind on drugs!
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Please explain this “disgrace” you reference?
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I do not criticize trump on his politics nearly as much as I do on his lack of character---he is a disgrace to our country. He is virtually without ethics or morals. If you want to defend someone who goes around grabbing women by their private parts and bragging about it--and lying about anything and everything then have at it---but not me.
Any truth coming out of trump is purely accidental--he didn't mean it
As for Sondland disgracing himself---had I bought a position of honor and then dishonored the position by my actions that would be a double disgrace---if you are fine with that--that is up to you.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
"Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
“You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis
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I'm not fine with any of it. I wasn't fine with Clinton getting a head job in the oval office by someone other than his wife, I was quickly disregarded by all but one or maybe two. Clinton, ahhh it's ok. Trump. IMpeach him.All of them are the same everyone pulls it all together without making Trump the only villain even if he is. Our government is in a shambles and stands to be in worse shape come election and all we can do is point fingers. Bring Switzerland in to bring a non-bios agenda, Until then let them the politicians fall in a hole and let them get themselves out. They are all scum get them out and start electing people that get things done and don't promise anything. Staying on Trump day in and day out does absolutely nothing, blaming trump daily and night solves not a darn thing. Trump if he needs to go fine but he needs to go no faster than about 400 other politicians. If this sounds convuluted it probably is, it't beed a rough week, a hard week and it's late so give it you best shot, please.
This is your mind on drugs!
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And yet it is so easy for everyone to see. Its ideology.Any truth coming out of trump is purely accidental--he didn't mean it.
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Curt--to you it might be ideology---to me it is just old fashioned flat out lies.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
"Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
“You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis
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Im not saying the lies somehow flow from ideology - thats on Trump. Im saying which lies we choose to overlook are based on ideology. Its the same no matter which side of the street you are on.
"Back after 5 years. I thought you had died.
don"
Splitting my time between the montane and the mesas
The woods are lovely, dark and deep.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.
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That I agree with---and since I'm not much into lies that leaves me out.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
"Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
“You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis
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There’s lies, and then there’s damned lies that actually count, such as “Trump colluded with the Russians” and “if you want to keep your doctor & insurance, you can keep your doctor & insurance,” and some people and their vaunted source believe it to the bitter end.
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I think Dave nailed it. Trump is dirty and a disgrace. In my opinion, his supporters exhibit an uncanny ability to overlook his faults.
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Following is an except from an article in today's WSJ:
By Rebecca Ballhaus
Updated Oct. 26, 2019 9:16 pm ET
WASHINGTON—A top U.S. diplomat told House committees last week that efforts by President Trump and his allies to press Kyiv to open investigations in exchange for a White House meeting with Ukraine’s president amounted to a quid pro quo, his lawyer said.
Gordon Sondland, the U.S. ambassador to the European Union, told House committees that he believed Ukraine agreeing to open investigations into Burisma Group—a gas company where Democrat Joe Biden’s son once served on the board—and into alleged 2016 election interference was a condition for a White House meeting between Mr. Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, Mr. Sondland’s lawyer Robert Luskin said.
Asked by a lawmaker whether that arrangement was a quid pro quo, Mr. Sondland cautioned that he wasn’t a lawyer but said he believed the answer was yes, Mr. Luskin said.
Mr. Trump has repeatedly denied the existence of a quid pro quo related to his push for Ukraine to open investigations.
Mr. Sondland was testifying as part of the impeachment inquiry, which is examining efforts by Mr. Trump and his personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, to push Ukraine to undertake investigations related to the Biden family and the 2016 campaign. Democrats believe the president abused the power of his office to press a foreign leader to open investigations that could benefit him politically. Mr. Trump has defended his dealings with Ukraine and decried the investigation as a “hoax.”
NBC News has reported that Mr. Sondland was asked whether the arrangement for a meeting constituted a quid pro quo and didn’t dispute it.
Mr. Sondland’s testimony has come under fresh scrutiny since the deposition earlier this week of Bill Taylor, the acting U.S. ambassador to Ukraine. Mr. Taylor’s testimony focused in part on a separate issue, telling House committees that Mr. Trump made nearly $400 million in aid contingent on the Ukrainian president investigating Mr. Biden and alleged Ukrainian interference in the 2016 U.S. election. Mr. Taylor didn’t use the term “quid pro quo” but said he understood the aid to be “conditioned” on the investigations.
Much of Mr. Taylor’s testimony suggested Mr. Sondland was aware of a separate connection between aid and investigations, which Mr. Sondland testified he wasn’t, according to his lawyer. Mr. Sondland told the committees he wasn’t involved in the decision to hold the aid to Ukraine and couldn’t independently corroborate the president’s assertions to him that the money being held up was unrelated to the push for investigations.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
"Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
“You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis
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The $400 million is the crime. Anyone who who came up with that idea?
"Back after 5 years. I thought you had died.
don"
Splitting my time between the montane and the mesas
The woods are lovely, dark and deep.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.
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