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  1. 10-17-2019, 03:12 PM #1
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    Hold on---the story will change

    From the WSJ this afternoon:

    WASHINGTON—A top White House official said President Trump’s decision to hold up aid to Ukraine this summer was tied to his demand that Kyiv investigate events related to the 2016 U.S. election, the first time the White House has acknowledged a link between the withheld aid and probes that Mr. Trump was seeking.

    Acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney said that Mr. Trump’s concerns about alleged corruption in Ukraine—including an unfounded suspicion the president has expressed that the hacked Democratic National Committee server has since been hidden in Ukraine—were partly responsible for Mr. Trump’s order to hold nearly $400 million in aid to Ukraine in July.

    “We do that all of the time with foreign policy,” Mr. Mulvaney said, referring to the decision to withhold aid out of corruption concerns. “The look back to what happened in 2016 certainly was part of the thing that he was worried about in corruption with that nation. And that is absolutely appropriate.”

    The president has repeatedly said that the driving force behind his decision to hold up the aid was that he felt European nations weren’t doing enough to help Ukraine, a concern that Mr. Mulvaney repeated on Thursday. The Europeans are “really, really stingy when it comes to lethal aid,” Mr. Mulvaney said. “Did [the president] also mention to me in passing the corruption related to the DNC server? Absolutely. No question about that. That’s it, and that’s why we held up the money.”
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    Something has got to stick. They keep throwing up something new every day.
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    Ahhh…. I had a feeling when I saw this story on the web it would show up here. Things that are Cracker Barrel bound have a certain look.

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    We have an obligation to help our non-believer brothers along the path to truth
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    The continued denial of a quid pro quo is pointless.

    I think it interesting that the last nail was driven into that lie not by Congress but by trump's own guy
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    It has already changed. The Whitehouse chief of staff who earlier today said there was quid pro quo and that it happens all the time has now retracted his statement. We sure don't need this kind mess with the election coming up and all the folks on the left trying to rule us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    It has already changed. The Whitehouse chief of staff who earlier today said there was quid pro quo and that it happens all the time has now retracted his statement. We sure don't need this kind mess with the election coming up and all the folks on the left trying to rule us.
    That is exactly why I hope trump is gone soon enough to be able to nominate a real candidate in time for the election.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Grubb View Post
    That is exactly why I hope trump is gone soon enough to be able to nominate a real candidate in time for the election.
    By his actions, it appears he might agree with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    By his actions, it appears he might agree with you.
    That will not happen, his arrogance is above any shred of sanity

    It is obvious that the man is nuts.
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    Gosh, you’d think that with a crazy lunatic at the helm the ship of state would be on the rocks instead of at the top of the world’s economic heap and kicking ass, while China is in the doldrums.
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    Grasping for straws are we
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Grubb View Post
    Grasping for straws are we
    Nope he was stating facts my friend.
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    On a serious note; the economy is not as robust as most people think. There has been continued softening the last two quarters. I cannot say that applies across the country but I suspect that it is generally the case. The trade wars are taking a toll on us as well---just ask Alcoa! Is it a recession---of course not---but it is wavering at the moment.
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    On a very serious note, Dave have you checked the unemployment numbers? Do you have a 401K, if so you are making money, and lots of it since Trump became president, at least mine has. My state has it's lowest unemployment in history. But of course I would never expect you to do anything but Trump bash, it's getting to be quite predictable and a joke, your little Trumps rants that is. Rant on brother and we will see you at the polls in 2020.
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