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    One Red Flag Casualty

    The police serve a Red Flag warrant in the wee hours and end up shooting to death the subject of the complaint. So, was society protected?

    https://reason.com/2019/10/06/states...ndment-rights/
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    Quote Originally Posted by wacojoe View Post
    Yes, no and maybe?????? Not enough info to make an opinion. However there must have been enough to invoke the law.
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    Fred, There is nothing needed to invoke the law. The only requirement is for ANYONE to submit a claim that X Y Z has said things, indicated by thought or action , even jokingly , that they would like to hurt someone .

    Next thing you know, the po po are knocking on your door at 5:00 AM demanding your guns. Resist in any way and you are likely to be shot .

    Reference the news that a sister complained about her 61 Year old brother, the cops showed up and the result is a DEAD person who has never harmed a soul.
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    I'm just as opinionated as the victim in the article, probably better armed and have had 11 additional years for my arteries to harden...Should I fear the next knock on my door?......Ben
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    Only if you have a cranky sister??????
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    Quote Originally Posted by FredK View Post
    ...However there must have been enough to invoke the law.
    Now that conclusion and trust in authority is positively scary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FredK View Post
    Only if you have a cranky sister??????
    Damn I have one of those but she only knows the town I live in, not the address.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wacojoe View Post
    Now that conclusion and trust in authority is positively scary.
    You saying there aren't any checks and balances, Joe?
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    I’ve been a prosecutor and know first hand the innate power to abuse power. I never blindly trust those holding the power will not abuse it. To give authorities the power to first seize your property and then you have to fight to get it back is backwasswards.
    Last edited by wacojoe; 10-08-2019 at 10:15 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wacojoe View Post
    I’ve been a prosecutor and know first hand the innate power to abuse power. I never blindly trust those holding the power will not abuse it. To give authorities the power to first cease your property and then you have to fight to get it back is backwasswards.
    he system sucks and it isn't about being good or bad it's about being known. I've been there and once the powers that be get a hold of you they don't let go. 43 years ago I committed a felony, I still can't work in a courthouse, I've got a degree in Psy. but they won't let me work in a school, I couldn't go to my son's graduation from boot camp last month. I could give you quite a few other troubles I've had but I'd have to put some of them in Triguys thread. Be careful there are not many states that your wife, cousins etc... can't have you committed for drinking too much, and no it doesn't matter if you do. You'll get a hearing within 45 days where you can say your peace.
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    Another “Red Flag” overreaction casualty —

    https://www.waynedupree.com/stephen-...-red-flag-law/
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    I'm hoping these so called red flag laws make it to SCOTUS in record time. In my opinion the red flag law is an illegal taking by government. If a person is dangerous enough to warrant the government to take his private property without a hearing, that person is dangerous enough to be incarcerated if they have violated any laws, or dangerous enough for an involuntary commitment to a mental health facility if his sanity is questioned. With the person under control, a judge can determine if there is probable cause to seize his weapons.
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