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    So where do you stand?

    I often come under attack because I am not sufficiently "Republican"---which is simply hog wash.

    Here is the basic definition of the true Republican party--not the hijacked mess that masquerades as one today.

    Taken from the link above:

    George F. Will, the conservative writer and commentator, in a June 2 interview in The New York Times Book Review, said, “To understand the Republican Party’s descent into a cult, and congressional Republicans’ loyalty-as-lobotomy, read Arthur Koestler’s novel of the Soviet Union in the 1930’s, ‘Darkness at Noon.’ Pay particular attention to Gletkin, the embodiment of the apparatchik mentality.”

    Gregory Sorg, writing in a recent edition of NH Business Review, responded to my March 29-April 11 column (“Rational action will save us”), in which I stated that the GOP had been hijacked and that I believed in “traditional Republican values.” Mr. Sorg questioned what those values are.

    His question got me to thinking about whether they can be defined. That in turn sent me to my library, to books written by or about Republican icons, including volumes about Abraham Lincoln, the first Republican president, Barry Goldwater’s 1960 “The Conscience of a Conservative” and his 1964 “Where I Stand,” and finally, Peter G. Peterson’s “Facing Up: How to Rescue the Economy from Crushing Debt & Restore the American Dream.”
    You may think adoration of a cult is your patriotic obligation--not me, I will continue to attack these imposters head on.
    "A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
    "Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
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    Nice work, Dave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UTAH View Post
    Nice work, Dave.

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    I agree, although I always see Dave's party criticisms as being driven by dislike of the party's titular leader and those who fawn over him, regardless of his successful policy decisions...The party itself is a disgraceful shambles just like all current political entities, no exceptions there...The only one I could offer any support for today would be Theodore Roosevelt's Bullmoose Party, and only if TR came back to life with it...That being impossible, I'll continue to vote as an independent which means I'll vote many times for none of the above......Ben
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    Has anyone noticed the parallel similarities between the decline of the Republican party and the decline of the NRA? Power and money breeds corruption in much the same way in both previously great organizations. I hope both organizations can be rescued and rejuvenated.
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    Yes we have some shortcomings, but the left will show us a better way.
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    “You fight with the army you have, not the one you want or wish you might have in the future.” — Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld
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    “You can vote your way into socialism, but you have to shoot your way out.” — Too fundamental to have an attribution


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    Quote Originally Posted by wacojoe View Post
    “You fight with the army you have, not the one you want or wish you might have in the future.” — Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld
    Funny you should quote Rumsfeld, few are lower on my list than he from the GWB error.

    Your post reminded me of an article I wrote some years ago---the first paragraph of which I will add here:

    The Virtue of Intolerance

    We live in a society that sees tolerance as a virtue and intolerance as a dark blemish on one’s character. In some areas of our lives, tolerance is a curse and not a blessing. I challenge you to seek out these areas, become intolerant and convert that intolerance into a virtue and not a blemish.
    We need except nothing that we feel is less than what we deserve.
    "A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
    "Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
    “You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis

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    You have me confused...not an unusual state. Is my extreme intolerance of collectivism/statism thought now a virtue in your view? It would seem so from your quote of yourself, or in the alternative, should I be intolerant of my intolerance?
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    “You can vote your way into socialism, but you have to shoot your way out.” — Too fundamental to have an attribution


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    I suggest you would be better to be intolerant of the hijackers. This is not a dance, you don't have to dance with the one that brought you

    The party got hijacked because of tolerance---the rest of us allowed it to happen.

    Ben, I ask you to review some of my posts. I have openly supported and even offered praise to trump where I think it is due, that never seems to be heard. I will kick him when i think it justified and pat him on the back when justified, the ratio of one to the other is not my doing.

    Use "kudos trump" with my name as a search method. Interestingly enough whenever I am critical of trump there are a few who will be right up my ass but when I am complementary they say nothing. You will see that in your search. The second one on the list had over 300 reads but Billy is the only one to respond.
    "A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
    "Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
    “You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Grubb View Post
    Ben, I ask you to review some of my posts. I have openly supported and even offered praise to trump where I think it is due, that never seems to be heard. I will kick him when i think it justified and pat him on the back when justified, the ratio of one to the other is not my doing.
    I follow your posts, Dave, as I do those of everyone else...Although what you say of your posting is technically true, the underlying current of dislike and mistrust (for legitimate reasons I'll add) always weigh even your infrequent praise of the results of his policies toward an unequal balance...Whether you intend it as such or not, this is the way you are seen in my perceived view......Ben
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truckman View Post
    I follow your posts, Dave, as I do those of everyone else...Although what you say of your posting is technically true, the underlying current of dislike and mistrust (for legitimate reasons I'll add) always weigh even your infrequent praise of the results of his policies toward an unequal balance...Whether you intend it as such or not, this is the way you are seen in my perceived view......Ben
    There is some truth to that Ben but I would ask you suffer me some slack----I started with this "gentleman" a long time before he moved out of town. I suffer from intolerance
    "A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
    "Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
    “You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis

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    Consider your slack suffered......Ben
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truckman View Post
    Consider your slack suffered......Ben
    I guess that makes me a slacker, hey?
    "A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
    "Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
    “You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Grubb View Post
    I guess that makes me a slacker, hey?
    Only to the same extent as the rest of us...I'd hate to think anyone was gaining ground on my slackness......Ben
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    We need except nothing that we feel is less than what we deserve.
    That's one of our problems, IMO, we all think we're better/smarter than the next guy and mostly have way more than we deserve. What we expect is usually way more then we deserve.
    This is your mind on drugs!

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