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    From the inside

    Oped in the NYT tonight:

    Republicans Don’t Have to Nominate Trump in 2020

    The party can do better.

    By William Kristol

    Mr. Kristol served in senior positions in the Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush administrations.


    Republicans have had their differences these past few years. Most have supported President Trump; a few have not. Some of the president’s supporters have been enthusiastic; many have not. Some of the reluctant Trump supporters have expressed reservations at certain times; many have not.

    But with the revelations of the last week, and the launch of a formal impeachment inquiry, we are at a new moment. This is obviously the case for Republicans in Congress, who will have to vote on impeachment and perhaps on conviction. They have a unique part to play in this drama; the rest of us are merely observers or advisers. All we can really now ask of members of Congress is to keep an open mind and to evaluate the facts as they emerge.

    But we already have learned enough to know that the government whistle-blower is correct to say “that the President of the United States is using the power of his office to solicit interference from a foreign country in the 2020 U.S. election.” We know this latest instance is part of a history of repeated injuries and usurpations. We may not yet know whether removal from the office to which President Trump was elected is warranted. But surely we know enough to judge that Mr. Trump does not deserve renomination for that office for an additional four years.

    The Republican Party faces a binary choice. It either will or will not renominate Donald Trump in 2020. (And if President Trump is removed as a consequence of impeachment and conviction, or if he resigns, the G.O.P. either will or will not nominate as its standard-bearer a newly sworn-in Mike Pence, who will have been at Mr. Trump’s side for his entire administration and has been a fervent defender of the president.)
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    The 2020 Republican nomination is an open question. It is a decision of great consequence on which all Republicans have a say, and all have a responsibility. Republican leaders in particular — Republican elected officials and former elected officials, Republican activists and donors, appointees of this administration and of former Republican administrations — bear a weighty responsibility. They can support Donald Trump, and put a stamp of approval on his tenure in office. They can keep quiet, a stamp of approval of its own sort. Or they can step up and act for the honor of their party and the good of their country.

    There are currently three announced Republican challengers to Donald Trump. Republican leaders could in various ways support one or all three of them. There are also other Republicans who might well be stronger candidates for the nomination and who may well be more qualified to serve as president. Those individuals could be encouraged by colleagues, activists and donors, privately or publicly, to run — and they could be offered support if they do.

    And may I say directly to those Republicans who could run: You have a unique chance to act for your party and your country. You can play a role in overcoming the shame and stain of the past three years, and in the reformation of a once great party. Win or lose, you will go down in the history books as a man or woman of honor.

    The Republican Party has surely discovered over the past few years the wisdom of Virgil: “The gates of hell are open night and day; Smooth the descent, and easy is the way.”

    But Republican leaders of conscience and courage now have an unusual moment “to return, and view the cheerful skies,” as Virgil put it. “In this the task and mighty labor lies.”
    While I have issues with Bill Kristol I am glad to see people starting to move in another direction
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    Bill Kristol “starting to move”... are you kidding? Bill Kristol is the original and foremost member of your Never Trumper movement. It is odd to see the New York Times endorsing by publishing and editorial of Kristol’s though as they are the original and foremost Never Kristol and anti-neoconservative media, which until today would never give Kristol the time of day.

    I loved the part in which Kristol agreed and announced “that the President of the United States is using the power of his office to solicit interference from a foreign country in the 2020 U.S. election.” Speak for yourself, Bill, because many of us reason it is not only proper but required that the chief administrator of government use his position to inquire into how and why the family of the last Vice President was cashing in on his family name, and if the Trump/Russia collusion fiasco had sources of origin in Ukraine and was intimately connected to Hillary Clinton. That answers to the obvious questions might also bleed into political issues does not obviate the correctness of asking them for rightful judicial reasons.

    Here’s someone who agrees with me in a better reasoned article than Kristol’s —

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/...with-zelensky/
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    This is absurd. The entire government is infested with never Trumper's and this "whistleblower" is nothing more than another one of them. The Russian "insurance" policy failed to cash in however the Dems were determined to impeach him some how some way. Many of the Dems have been calling for his impeachment before the President even got his furniture moved in. It has been an organized relentless attack on him every day of his administration, designed by the Dem operatives and fueled by their media partners. They may get him, I don't know, but the Dems ARE going to impeach him and quickly, that is for sure. I will tell you one thing. NO PRESIDENT that has ever served could survive what Trump has endured and what he continues to endure. By that I mean high level intel giving up the President based on what he said on a phone call to a foreign leader. Think about it, does anyone believe that the kind of conversation Trump had is not a common occurrence for a US President? Do you? Kristol has hated Trump from day one and it has not a damn thing to do with anything he has done as President. The haters think they have they have him and they do not intend to let him go. If they prevail I hope they believe they have done a good and wise thing for our Republic, but I will never see it as anything more than a damnable scheme to grab power from a duly elected President. To hell with them.
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    Kinda fun to watch all this Trump bashing, bet he enjoys it also.
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    I have to agree with Joe and Tom. This entire witch hunt is a travesty.

    The one thing that I would like to have answered is how is someone who remains anonymous able to listen to private conversations between heads of state? Oh, one other thing I would like to know is why is that person still walking around as a free man?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    I have to agree with Joe and Tom. This entire witch hunt is a travesty.

    The one thing that I would like to have answered is how is someone who remains anonymous able to listen to private conversations between heads of state? Oh, one other thing I would like to know is why is that person still walking around as a free man?
    It's worse than that Mike The Whistleblower is not even the person that heard the conversation. The Whistleblower is a third party who is reporting what he allegedly says he has been told by other sources. This is unadulterated total bull sh]t
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    And to go one step further it's obvious that this whistle-blower report was written up by lawyers. Not a concerned employee filling out a federal form no he/she lawyered it up and had lawyers prepare a formal complaint for him/her. Wonder about how far that goes on releasing information of sensitive nature to third parties. Also speaker Pelosi had another one her geriatric moments slipped on TV and stated that she had the information contained in the Whistleblower report before it had been made public. This is a relentless planned orchestrated attack on the presidency of Donald Trump and the American people.
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    We've given them so much power that they believe their own lies, incredibly sad!
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    Here is the issue in a nutshell:
    Is the president barred from investigating apparent acts of corruption by American officials in foreign countries who used U.S. taxpayer money to further the scheme, if the results might impact an American election?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wacojoe View Post
    Here is the issue in a nutshell:
    Is the president barred from investigating apparent acts of corruption by American officials in foreign countries who used U.S. taxpayer money to further the scheme, if the results might impact an American election?
    ..and what facts do you have to prove that accusation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Honda View Post
    It's worse than that Mike The Whistleblower is not even the person that heard the conversation. The Whistleblower is a third party who is reporting what he allegedly says he has been told by other sources. This is unadulterated total bull sh]t
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    Quote Originally Posted by Honda View Post
    It's worse than that Mike The Whistleblower is not even the person that heard the conversation. The Whistleblower is a third party who is reporting what he allegedly says he has been told by other sources. This is unadulterated total bull sh]t
    Wouldn't that be hearsay and not admissible in a trial? I understand congress critters hold themselves above reproach, but damn! It just isn't right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Grubb View Post
    ..and what facts do you have to prove that accusation?
    He didn't state a fact did he? He asked a questiom???
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    GOP, can you handle this truth on Trump support? https://lasvegassun.com/news/2019/oc...trump-support/

    "This may be asking too much of Republicans, who have lost their way in the Trump era. One might hope that some of the party’s elected officials would forcefully condemn the president on the grounds that there is now demonstrable evidence that he had crossed an ethical line and abused his power in ways even beyond what he had done previously, which was problematic enough."

    Sadly, this thread aptly demonstrates how my Conservative friends have become ostriches regarding anything Trump.

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    I could put an end to this impeachment inquiry with one letter.

    Mitch the Turtle just needs to send the following to Shiff for brains and Pelosi.

    The U.S. Senate in cooperation with the Congress desire to complete the impeachment process in as rapid a time frame as possible will within the next week provide a list of those individuals we will subpoena when we hold the mandated trial. This list will include every member of the Obama Administration with any , even a slight , connection with anyone who is connected with the Obama Administration including friends who may have heard comments about activities in the Ukraine .

    It is suggested that those individuals meeting the above criteria hire lawyers for their own protection.

    My guess is that there would be a HUGE amount of pressure put on those who are now pushing for impeachment to suddenly decide that there was no offense that requires continued impeachment proceedings .
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