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    The first indication...

    This is what the North Koreans or Iranians or any other belligerent can expect as the first indication that it's going to be a really bad day...Their most important communications centers, coordinating all radar, radio and satellite links are buried deep within reinforced concrete bunkers, but most likely not deep enough to prevent these MOP's from intruding on their coffee breaks...

    They are especially effective when layered in one after another as shown in the video, and unseen until the first explosion because they were delivered by the B-2 stealth bomber...As Saddam Hussein found out the hard way a few years back, once your early warning radar systems close to your outlying borders have been neutralized, and air superiority has been established by your enemy in the first few minutes of a conflict, the next waves of B-52's, carrying even more bad news can strike with impunity on your other high value installations...
    The MOP is precision guided primarily using GPS, similar to the Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM). Yet even the bunker buster variants in that series of weapons are incomparable to the mighty MOP. This precision guidance is thought to allow the MOP to not only hit deeply-buried installations at their weakest points, but it offers the potential to 'layer-in' multiple MOPs on a single pinpoint location—in effect 'digging' down to where the soil, rock, and concrete end and the vital infrastructure begins.
    I would not want to be the one charged with thinking up a defense against a combination like this......Ben
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    .....I would not want to be the one charged with thinking up a defense against a combination like this......Ben
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    I'd build a wall. Yeah, that should do it!
    Right! And since this is air defense, it should be an air wall...Air is plentiful and cheap, so it should be easy...Someone tell the Korean dwarf and the bearded wonder in Iran......Ben
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    Just pointing out the futility of building walls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Just pointing out the futility of building walls.
    Understood...Walls are some of the most useless defense mechanisms ever conceived...The only good that ever came from them is employment for those that build them, and for those that take them down...The only real defense against intruders, trespassers and other undesired visitors is the removal of their incentive to cross a line......Ben
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    The defense the ChiComs & Russians are planning are techniques to take out/confuse/command our very vulnerable GPS network at which event most of our systems are screwed. There are hints in some reports that the Russians have already successfully tested one of their techniques against us in Syria, plus they are or have launched their own GPS satellite network. I hope we have our own hunter/killer satellites and laser weapons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wacojoe View Post
    The defense the ChiComs & Russians are planning are techniques to take out/confuse/command our very vulnerable GPS network at which event most of our systems are screwed. There are hints in some reports that the Russians have already successfully tested one of their techniques against us in Syria.
    Henry Kissinger once wrote that, "Deterrence is a product not just of Clausewitzian strength but of an adversary's belief in that strength"...Maybe as long as all sides keep their cards held closely, no one will be stupid enough to make the wrong aggressive assumption of their own abilities......Ben
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    It's satisfying to read that we are on top of this techno-stuff. I particularly like the fact our enemies must take expensive steps to counter our actions. The less money they have for boots on the ground, the better.

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    From the accounts I read, the ChiComs are waaay ahead of us on laser weaponry. That is not reassuring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wacojoe View Post
    From the accounts I read, the ChiComs are waaay ahead of us on laser weaponry. That is not reassuring.
    In that regard, they may be ahead of us in raw development of laser technology, but that may come at the price of bypassing safe laser technology given their known and blatant disregard for human life...Such a thing could come back to bite them in practical deployment if the operators and containment methods are as dangerous to them as to their potential targets...The US military takes more precaution in deploying such new items with a greater chance of its personnel returning to report success alive...Also what is developed for use by one entity can easily be sold or traded to another by a team player who is more dedicated to his own enrichment than to that of his nation (or her enrichment if we want to count recent uranium sales)...

    The upcoming Zumwalt class of destroyer, the effectiveness of which you questioned in another thread, Joe, is said to be closer to having usable laser weaponry than previously believed...As has been proven throughout history, being the firstest with the mostest does not necessarily ensure being the lastest standing on the battlefield......Ben
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    Well I just hope that we never find out who has the most and the best. China goes out of business without us so I don't think they really want to start anything. Russia appears to just be a bunch of uneducated fools with some kind of need to prove something. If they won a war against us there would still be nothing to take, we'd take them out just like Afganistan did if they ever stepped foot on American soil, assuming no nukes are involved.
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    I suppose if they got one I'm glad ours is better. But I hope it's not a problem that the citizenry has completely lost the ability do defend against our government.
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    On an unrelated matter, a dude over on one of the hunting sites came across this in utah (tooele?) while looking for shed antlers or something. I sure hope someone from our military is looking for it.
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    "Back after 5 years. I thought you had died.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CactusCurt View Post
    I sure hope someone from our military is looking for it.
    I did a quick search for practice bomb colors and didn't find red listed, although to me it would make sense...I did find OD and smoke gray listed as tail housing colors, and if that one has been in the sun long enough to fade, it could be one of those...I assume the finder reported it......Ben
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    I'm not asking. I had a buddy who found an ejection seat down in Az. It weighed alot but he managed to drag it home anyway and it sat on the front porch of his trailer for years. Someone might notice that bomb though.
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