Pennsylvania Bill Requiring All Guns To Be Registered Each Year Introduced

[wacojoe]

Guess who is in the bullseye.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattve...state-n2543266

[Dave Grubb]

That is for real.

I will be writing letters this weekend---but I can assure you this bill will never see the light of the chamber floor or hear the call of a vote.

[Honda]

Gun registration alone does not bother me. Every weapon I have is already registered. Just ask the ATF they know every weapon I have the serial number where and when I bought it and how much I paid. Yeah it's registered.

[Truckman]

Just ask the ATF they know every weapon I have the serial number where and when I bought it and how much I paid. Yeah it's registered.

No they don't......Ben

[Honda]

Maybe I should amend my response to say any commercially bought weapon I have is registered. I have only bought two used weapons so yes technically they are off the books.

[wacojoe]

The proposed Pa. law requires registration of every one a person has each & every year he has it, and if not now I’m sure a fee to do so will be added. The power to tax is the power to destroy. The Fecal Matter Party, formerly known as the Democrat Party, has plans for your guns.

[Truckman]

Maybe I should amend my response to say any commercially bought weapon I have is registered.

That is incorrect, yet commonly believed......Ben

[Honda]

Well here is my story. I had a ruger .380 that was stolen when it was in a car that was stolen. No report was ever made of the theft. My son had "borrowed" the pistol and did not say anything to the cops about it being in his backpack which was in the car. About two years later I get a call from a detective in Fresno California. The pistol was stolen in Georgia. Anyway he said do you own a Ruger .380 and I said yes. He asked if I knew where it was and I said yes in my safe. He said for me to look and call him back. I looked no pistol so I called the usual suspect my youngest son and he owned up to "borrowing" it and apologized. What happened to him is another story. So I call the detective back and tell him what happened. He then said well I have your pistol it was used in a drive by shooting. I was shocked. I asked him how he found me and he told me "the ATF furnished us the information from their data base". So, I am sure you know more about this than me but that is my story and I am sticking to it.

[Mike]

In 1986, Congress enacted the Firearms Protection Act, which bans the ATF from creating a registry of guns, gun owners, or gun sales. Federal lawmakers have also put a rider barring the agency from "consolidation or centralization" of gun dealers' records in every spending bill affecting the agency from 1979 through 2011. At that point, Congress made the prohibition permanent, under law.

Not sure what happened in your case, but it is illegal for ATF to create or maintain a database as quoted above. Although, they have tried to skirt the restrictions numerous times.

[Honda]

I knew that law existed but I also know what I was told. How else could a detective in Fresno find me in Alabama through the serial number on a pistol. I am certainly not trying to be argumentative but I know what happened to me.

[Honda]

Got the answer that did not take long.

Pursuant to the Gun Control Act (GCA) of 1968, the U.S. Attorney General is authorized to administer firearms tracing. The Attorney General has delegated ATF the sole federal agency authorized to trace firearms. The NTC is only authorized to trace a firearm for a law enforcement agency involved in a bona fide criminal investigation. The firearm must have been used or suspected to have been used in a crime. Several programs within the NTC receive, manage and disseminate firearms information in conjunction with firearms tracing to support the law enforcement community in the effort to combat violent crime and firearms trafficking.

More information

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/national-tracing-center

[Honda]

Hey guys listen if I'm wrong please let me know I know that y'all had already told me what you did and I look this up and I posted it what was in my previous post. Let me know what you think am I missing something

[Truckman]

Here's what really happens...The ATF Form 4473 that gets filled out when you obtain a gun from a licensed dealer, whether straight sale, trade or transfer, has all the pertinent info on both you and the gun(s)...In Texas and some other states, possession of a valid state-issued license to carry a handgun pre-empts the need for a background check, and you walk out with the gun(s)...The 4473 gets numbered and goes into the dealer's file cabinets after recording the necessary info into his Bound Book (whether handwritten or electronic)...After a period of 20 years, the dealer can then destroy the 4473 at his discretion...If the background check is called in to NICS, they are told the identifying information on you, and whether the firearm is a long gun or handgun, no other information...After 30 days, the info they collect is purged from their system, and by law cannot be retained nor distributed for any purpose...

When law enforcement requests a firearm trace, ATF starts at the beginning of the trail, with either the manufacturer or the importer...That entity must tell the ATF where the gun was transferred next, usually to either a dealer or distributor, sometimes directly to a law enforcement or military unit...Each source which is called has up to three business days to comply with the request while the ATF waits for an answer...Those with electronic Bound Books can usually call up the information in seconds...I got ATF trace requests almost daily and they were usually surprised with how fast I could give them an answer...I wrote my own software, and had it certified by the ATF before they let me use it...There were many instances when I would own the gun several times in trades, and they were always pleased when I could trace through several owners and give them the final disposition in under a minute...

When the gun went to an individual, they asked me to pull the 4473 from my records, and give them name, address and ID's used...I usually had phone numbers and email addresses too if they needed it...When they go to the individual for questioning, that person was required to give any information they had on where it went next, whether sold, traded, given away, stolen, lost or any other circumstances...Sometimes the individual could not even remember owning the gun, or where it went next, and that was the end of the trail...

This is why I know that no matter how many internet rumors you hear about "registration" or a government "central file" of gun ownership, it simply isn't true...If such a thing existed, why would they need to try to trace it beginning with its manufacture or importation?......Ben

[Honda]

Thanks Ben for the explanation I know that took a lot of time to type that but I would have preferred or I would have hope that I could have gotten that earlier in the conversation instead of just telling me I was wrong. However all's well that ends well and I consider myself educated on the matter much more than I was before this started. So thank you for this. I still think big brother knows more than we think he does. I also still believe that if the ATF wants to find out who bought a gun and the serial number they can find it out with the flipper switch or a simple phone call so whether they have a list or not or whether it's called registration or not they know who's got what or can find out

[Truckman]

I would have preferred or I would have hope that I could have gotten that earlier in the conversation instead of just telling me I was wrong.

I'll try to prevent any future embarrassment by typing a little faster next time, Tom......Ben