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    Be careful what you wish for

    From today's WSJ:
    Senate Republicans Push Back on Trump’s National Emergency Talk.
    GOP lawmakers worry that a move by the president to shift funds for a border wall could backfire.


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    WASHINGTON—President Trump’s repeated warnings that he is prepared to declare a national emergency to build a border wall, which he is likely to renew in his State of the Union address Tuesday, are stirring up increasing angst among congressional Republicans.

    Senate Republicans, who are typically more muted in their criticisms of the president, have been unusually candid in pushing back against such a move, which would likely divide them on any coming vote. The five-week partial government shutdown that ended last month left many frustrated with the White House and Mr. Trump’s willingness to circumvent Congress to build a wall along the border with Mexico.

    Mr. Trump has said that if lawmakers don’t reach a deal that satisfies his demands to build a wall, he may declare a national emergency. That could potentially enable him to shift either military construction or U.S. Army Corps of Engineers funding to construction of the wall, although such a move is certain to be challenged in court.

    Many Senate Republicans are concerned about the precedent that could set, enabling a future Democratic president to declare a national emergency to address a liberal priority, such as combating climate change. Libertarian-leaning Republicans have been warning about such ramifications for several weeks.

    “There have been lots of concerns expressed about that approach, which have been conveyed by many of our members directly to the president,” Senate Majority Whip John Thune (R., S.D.) said Tuesday, adding that those issues include “the precedent it creates for a future Democrat president to find lots of reasons to declare an emergency, the questions about separation of power and checks and balances and everything else.”
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    I hope it is just posturing during the negotiations. I think the better option for the President is to continue to use the military as needed to aid the border police and security to help stop these continual attempts to breach our border by large groups of non-citizens who don't seem to want to try to come in legally.
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    Put the Military on the boarder. Nab everyone that crosses illegally and immediately load them on a plane.When the plane is full, fly them back to Honduras and let them make the trip again if they so desire.

    Do NOT let them stay. Do NOT let them claim asylum. Do NOT allow anchor babies.

    Let them apply and be welcome as LEGAL immigrants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Independent Voter View Post
    Put the Military on the boarder. Nab everyone that crosses illegally and immediately load them on a plane.When the plane is full, fly them back to Honduras and let them make the trip again if they so desire.

    Do NOT let them stay. Do NOT let them claim asylum. Do NOT allow anchor babies.

    Let them apply and be welcome as LEGAL immigrants.
    Works for me, but I would put them on old, slow busses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Works for me, but I would put them on old, slow busses.
    If we stop them from entering the country, there should be plenty of these available......Ben

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truckman View Post
    If we stop them from entering the country, there should be plenty of these available......Ben

    That would make a nice camper, and who would mess with it?
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    The problem at the border is multilateral. The major problem is our law, which states that any citizen from any country other than Mexico who touches this country and contends he/she is seeking asylum is entitled to stay in this country until the claim is adjudicated as disproved, which takes multiple years to thread through the docket. By the time the case comes up, the immigrant has melted into the populace and most do not show for their court date. All the border barriers are physically located well back from the actual border, so anyone reaching a border wall/fence/barrier has already crossed the border and is protected by the law and qualified to make a claim.

    The law protecting immigrants behind the veil of asylum must be changed and that will never happen with a Democrat control of any arm of government and did not happen even when Republicans ostensibly controlled all three. Democrats Want Uncontrolled Immigration By Their Natural Constituency. They have it now and they are not going to give it up. Checkmate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wacojoe View Post
    The problem at the border is multilateral. The major problem is our law, which states that any citizen from any country other than Mexico who touches this country and contends he/she is seeking asylum is entitled to stay in this country until the claim is adjudicated as disproved, which takes multiple years to thread through the docket. By the time the case comes up, the immigrant has melted into the populace and most do not show for their court date. All the border barriers are physically located well back from the actual border, so anyone reaching a border wall/fence/barrier has already crossed the border and is protected by the law and qualified to make a claim.
    Then change the law. If that is so onerous it should have been dealt with in the last Congress---or many before that.

    Just for the record---having US Customs and Immigration in Mexico to avoid this "geographical problem" is highly unlikely. There are more than a few issues to deal with on that one. There are a few US Customs and Immigration locations in airports outside the US, (Toronto being one) but I know of none at a physical border.


    The law protecting immigrants behind the veil of asylum must be changed and that will never happen with a Democrat control of any arm of government and did not happen even when Republicans ostensibly controlled all three. Democrats Want Uncontrolled Immigration By Their Natural Constituency. They have it now and they are not going to give it up. Checkmate.
    Again---inaction by the Republicans when they had control of Congress moves any accountability right there. As for the rabid right talking points of uncontrolled immigration---I see no more of that on the left than I do on the right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Grubb View Post
    ... As for the rabid right talking points of uncontrolled immigration---I see no more of that on the left than I do on the right.
    The Left does not talk about their true wants, desires & intentions with regard to immigration. For decades they have professed the opposite of those true goals, which is now being exposed as BS, when push has come to shove. Those past “show” votes meant nothing to a unified Democrat voting block in Congress as it has come time for actual implementation of real bars to the long-standing illegal flood of migrants, and they bailed. The reasons they want it to continue are not a secret.

    I wish I could say that the roadblock of getting over a required filibuster-proof 60 vote margin in the senate was the only reason the Republicans failed to pass meaningful immigration reform legislation, when they had ostensible control of all three branches, but I think not. There remains a viable block of Camber Of Commerce flunkies in the R column who also want the downward pressures of a sizable underground labor force and work behind the scenes in Congress toward that goal. Checkmate...public be damned.
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    Thank you for acknowledging that.

    Please answer another popular refrain from the right. They claim that the liberals want these immigrants to bolster their voter numbers---how do they do that?

    I have seen no, as in zero, documented cases of this going on--and if I were to be illegal and trying to fly under the radar the last damn thing I would do is to try to fraudulently present myself as an eligible voter! But, I guess some of the 30 percenters suck it up
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Grubb View Post
    Thank you for acknowledging that.

    Please answer another popular refrain from the right. They claim that the liberals want these immigrants to bolster their voter numbers---how do they do that?

    I have seen no, as in zero, documented cases of this going on--and if I were to be illegal and trying to fly under the radar the last damn thing I would do is to try to fraudulently present myself as an eligible voter! But, I guess some of the 30 percenters suck it up
    Ah come on Dave you know at one or three probably voted. Trouble is the right thinks it's 100's of thousands.
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    The Left plays the long game better than the Right does. The illegal immigrant community is at the minimum one generation from voting massively, and, of course, constant movements are afoot to include new arrivals as voters now. Millions of potential DACA voters are a quick example. New arrivals both invited and uninvited are notoriously more fecund than are traditional Americans, thus producing generations of mostly New Democrat voters prompted by gimme programs. Some really radical communities are going to the extreme of allowing non-citizen of even now voting in local matters. Incremental “progressive” chipping away at standards is the watchword of liberalism. Recruiting foreign voters is merely one approach to collectivist goals.
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    That explanation is far more plausible. However, I see few on either side proposing elimination of quotas.

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    Quotas? We don’t need no stickin’ Quotas, when our new constituents are sneakin’ over the border by the by the tens of thousands and spawning like rabbits!
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    Quote Originally Posted by wacojoe View Post
    Quotas? We don’t need no stickin’ Quotas, when our new constituents are sneakin’ over the border by the by the tens of thousands and spawning like rabbits!
    Ah yes---the trump fear factor---and right on Q.
    "A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
    "Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
    “You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis

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