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    Come to San Antonio and maybe a dawning would make an appearance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wacojoe View Post
    Come to San Antonio and maybe a dawning would make an appearance.
    Or most anywhere in Texas.

    We now know how Mexico felt when the Notre Americanos came to Texas way back in the 1800s. It is an invasion plain and simple.
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    I have a few questions--and I am looking for information and nothing else.

    I read that the Gov of Texas and the vast majority of politicians in the Texas border counties are not supportive of more wall---is that correct?

    I do believe that in some cases a physical barrier to challenge the less inventive could be an aid----when combined with smart technology.

    trump's demand for $5.7 is estimated to be enough for 235 miles. The border is 1954 miles with 1279 miles "unprotected" by any form of barrier. In addition to that much of the barrier is vehicle barrier and pedestrians can walk right through. How effective will 235 miles of barrier on a border with over 1000 miles remaining open possibly be?

    It would seem to me the biggest return on investment we could realize is to change the laws----get caught legally on this side of the border and you get to board the next bus south. Combine that with smart technology, physical barriers and more patrols.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Grubb View Post
    How effective will 235 miles of barrier on a border with over 1000 miles remaining open possibly be?
    It might depend entirely on which 235 miles get the barriers...Other areas would then become entry points, but at a higher degree of difficulty, which might discourage some......Ben
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Grubb View Post
    I have a few questions--and I am looking for information and nothing else.

    I read that the Gov of Texas and the vast majority of politicians in the Texas border counties are not supportive of more wall---is that correct?

    I do believe that in some cases a physical barrier to challenge the less inventive could be an aid----when combined with smart technology.

    trump's demand for $5.7 is estimated to be enough for 235 miles. The border is 1954 miles with 1279 miles "unprotected" by any form of barrier. In addition to that much of the barrier is vehicle barrier and pedestrians can walk right through. How effective will 235 miles of barrier on a border with over 1000 miles remaining open possibly be?

    It would seem to me the biggest return on investment we could realize is to change the laws----get caught legally on this side of the border and you get to board the next bus south. Combine that with smart technology, physical barriers and more patrols.

    1, No that is false.

    2, a wall/fence will divert, channel the people/drug runners in other area where they can be more easily contained and picked up. Along with saving lives as some parts you can not carry enough water to survive & yet the people smugglers are bringing in people and drugs there.

    3, Yes the laws are in need of a change, but today's political environment is such that the hate filled Democrats would rather see America destroyed than work with Trump and republicans to fix the problem. As long as Trump is president the democrats will whine, cry and do everything they can to block his every move they hate him so much.

    We were in DC for the state of the union address, our niece is a page for a Republican senator and it is unreal how these elected officials act towards one another in public and private.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Grubb View Post
    I have a few questions--and I am looking for information and nothing else.

    I read that the Gov of Texas and the vast majority of politicians in the Texas border counties are not supportive of more wall---is that correct?

    I do believe that in some cases a physical barrier to challenge the less inventive could be an aid----when combined with smart technology.

    trump's demand for $5.7 is estimated to be enough for 235 miles. The border is 1954 miles with 1279 miles "unprotected" by any form of barrier. In addition to that much of the barrier is vehicle barrier and pedestrians can walk right through. How effective will 235 miles of barrier on a border with over 1000 miles remaining open possibly be?

    It would seem to me the biggest return on investment we could realize is to change the laws----get caught legally on this side of the border and you get to board the next bus south. Combine that with smart technology, physical barriers and more patrols.

    1, No that is false.

    2, a wall/fence will divert, channel the people/drug runners in other area where they can be more easily contained and picked up. Along with saving lives as some parts you can not carry enough water to survive & yet the people smugglers are bringing in people and drugs there.

    3, Yes the laws are in need of a change, but today's political environment is such that the hate filled Democrats would rather see America destroyed than work with Trump and republicans to fix the problem. As long as Trump is president the democrats will whine, cry and do everything they can to block his every move they hate him so much.

    We were in DC for the state of the union address, our niece is a page for a Republican senator and it is unreal how these elected officials act towards one another in public and private.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Grubb View Post
    I have a few questions--and I am looking for information and nothing else.

    I read that the Gov of Texas and the vast majority of politicians in the Texas border counties are not supportive of more wall---is that correct?

    I believe most people here are against a continuous border wall. There are places where a wall is functional and places where it is not.


    I do believe that in some cases a physical barrier to challenge the less inventive could be an aid----when combined with smart technology.

    Smart technology and boots on the ground are a much better solution. Hmm, "solution" is the wrong word here. Nothing will be solved by either the wall or technology and boots. They all have their role, but none are a "solution".

    trump's demand for $5.7 is estimated to be enough for 235 miles. The border is 1954 miles with 1279 miles "unprotected" by any form of barrier. In addition to that much of the barrier is vehicle barrier and pedestrians can walk right through. How effective will 235 miles of barrier on a border with over 1000 miles remaining open possibly be?

    It will be of little help. If you followed the El Chapo trial, there was testimony that the smuggling wasn't done in unprotected areas, they went right through the checkpoints!

    It would seem to me the biggest return on investment we could realize is to change the laws----get caught legally on this side of the border and you get to board the next bus south. Combine that with smart technology, physical barriers and more patrols.

    Changing the laws is the most important step toward solving the problem. We need to take away the incentive for people to cross the border illegally. We need to make deportation decisive and swift. Do away with automatic citizenship when a child is born here by illegal parents. And more........
    My response is above and in ​red.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    My response is above and in ​red.
    Thank you! I appreciate your responses. It is nice to hear from your perspective rather than simply trying to determine reasonableness from my readings.
    "A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
    "Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
    “You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis

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