A look at imigration through a different and less biased lens

[Dave Grubb]

Here is the reality of where we are today----and how the shortage of workers can and will impact our economy.

The root article, which is much longer and more detailed, was pulled by dimbart from the WSJ---I picked dimbart to avoid the normal outburst about east coast liberal media.

Now---more to the issue----the people needed to fill this pool of labor for Foxconn are not marching along the road somewhere in Mexico----but this same shortage exists across the country in a long list of occupations----including, as I mentioned in another thread, crab pickers. That in-turn, shutdown packing houses and killed the market for the Chesapeake crabbers---they had a much diminished market. That problem was a direct result of a reduction in work visas this year----now I ask---who does that hurt?

Back to Foxconn---which will generate a long list of secondary businesses and with them a broad range of labor needs---from skilled to unskilled----where are they going to come from in the current environment of hate and fear?

So---here is my question: We are spending all our attention and dialog on closing the borders with walls and soldiers-----what are we doing to satisfy our very real economic demands and their ancillary labor demands?

Added in edit:

This just put up on the WSJ:

Updated Nov. 6, 2018 2:33 p.m. ET
Unfilled jobs in the U.S. exceeded the number of unemployed Americans by more than one million as the summer came to a close, a sign it is increasingly difficult for employers to find workers.

There were a seasonally adjusted 7.01 million job openings on the last business day of September, the Labor Department said Tuesday. That compares with 5.96 million jobless Americans actively looking for work during the month that the unemployment rate fell to a 49-year low of 3.7%.

[Dave Grubb]

And...after answering the above question I suggest it might just be long overdue to fix our obviously (and unarguably broken) immigration laws by opening an adult dialog of how to best accomplish that goal.

We need to get beyond the noise of demagoguery and move on to constructive bipartisan solutions. The current buffoonery serves no benefit other than throwing peanuts to the trump tribe.

[FredK]

And...after answering the above question I suggest it might just be long overdue to fix our obviously (and unarguably broken) immigration laws by opening an adult dialog of how to best accomplish that goal.

We need to get beyond the noise of demagoguery and move on to constructive bipartisan solutions. The current buffoonery serves no benefit other than throwing peanuts to the trump tribe.

Do you think that will ever happen?

[Dave Grubb]

Do you think that will ever happen?

I think i will continue to push for it to happen.

[TxMusky]

Instead of adding coal to the fire by trying to brow beat someone, that someone usually being me, why not put forth YOUR idea of how to make things better and we can start from there. But since you instead chose to be the agitator, I will make mine known.


Are these going to be full time workers? If not are they going to work a couple of months and then be unemployed for the rest of the year? I remember having a discussion about the pipeline coming from Canada and Freds point was it was not going to create much full time work, so it was not worth it.


I would support visas for foreign workers and hopefully the service entrusted with lining up the workers for "crabbing" could also network with other job providers to make sure the foreign worker could maybe work year round at other jobs. I have no problem with that at all and after passing a background check, if that is even possible in their home Country, we could at least do it for America, to see if the worker is wanted for anything here.


I do know a bit about ranch workers, and some farm workers as well. If a person could get with the farmers and ranchers, and make sure that their wages would go up if they became "guest workers" and could apply for citizenship if it could be proven that they have been there for a certain amount of time...5 years or whatever number is agreed upon, then they can start the process for permanent citizenship.


I also know many oilfield workers and people in Construction that are illegal, but they are good, hard, dependable people who do everything but have legal status, who should also be included in this mix. They too should be allowed a way to gain permanent status as they have employment and have kept their noses clean.


The ones we do not need, which a large part are probably in those numerous caravans, are the ones who are just looking for a handout and to continue on with their drug and smuggling habits. If you think that some of these guys, and there are a bunch of them, are not sent to be advance scouts for the smuggling of drugs and other contraband, as well as human beings, you are fooling yourself. Drug cartels are better organized than many would ever suspect, and they will capitalize on anything.


Now I started the ball rolling and did not try to spread any contempt, next. Let's have a discussion.

[FredK]

OK if I agree with all you said Tx, how do you figure out those that are the drug smugglers and free loaders?

Not say there are some in the mix but pray tell how you recognize them, you have a diving rod, a gift from God or just your feeling.

And tell me what your thought are on those already here native born that are drug smugglers and free loaders what is your solution to them? Shouldn't that be the same yardstick for the new ones that in also.

I still maintain you document them give them a SS number and a green card and let them find work and I'll bet that a majority will turn out just like most of us. Decent hard working folks. Going to get bad apples-sure. But by giving them a SS number they are paying into a system and unless they become citizens there's no return for that money. They wouldn't be eligible for any government handout either without citizenship.

The stunt Trump's doing isn't the right thing.