Trump Says Deadly Force Will Be An Option Against Border Rock Trowers

[TxMusky]

Incidentally, from what I heard Trump say on the issue, he never said our troops would fire on rock throwers, he merely said the throwers would be treated as if they had fired on our troops.

Kind of the same thing I heard and the way I took it. If one chooses to believe that these clods who are also traveling with the caravan, are not beneath using that as a cover to use things other than rocks, is naive. Kind of like the radical islamic terrorists using kids as suicide bombers, these miscreants are that low.


If rocks are thrown at any of our people, take the initiative and put a stop to the problem using whatever means are necessary, period. Throwing rocks is just a temp gauge to see how much we can take, first rock would mean we could take the first shot.

[wacojoe]

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No

[Honda]

I am on the record I disagree with the use of deadly physical force against folks throwing rocks. So yes I disagree with our President. There has to be some other way to deal with folks chunking rocks than filling them full of .556.

[Phillbo]

I agree...

[Truckman]

Those who think rocks can't be used with deadly force should talk to Goliath...Oh wait, it's too late...He was killed by a stone thrown by David......Ben

[Mike]

I am on the record I disagree with the use of deadly physical force against folks throwing rocks. So yes I disagree with our President. There has to be some other way to deal with folks chunking rocks than filling them full of 5.56.

To me, it depends on the size of the rocks and how they are delivered. If it is like the rock fights we had as kids, then no, deadly force is not the answer. If it is large rocks launched or dropped from something like a bridge or overpass, those are deadly and the response should reflect that. In that case, .556 would be acceptable to me. We cannot send our military into a situation where they are not allowed to defend themselves.

[Honda]

Okay let me put a sharp pencil to this. First never would I ever expect our police officers are border patrol or our military to have to face danger without the ability to protect themselves. So that's off the table non negotiable they always should be able to protect themselves with all means available to them. Now that point aside. This is a purely political situation that we are in. This entire Caravan is an orchestrated event designed to cause political disruption inside this country. I hope we don't fall for the bait and do something ridiculous at the border. So that said I think we should use whatever reasonable force is necessary to protect our borders. I do not think our military should be involved unless our civilian forces are overrun. If our military has to get involved I do not think they should be able to use deadly physical Force unless they believe that deadly physical force is being used up on them. It begs a question as to whether rock-throwing is deadly physical Force and that would have to be judged by field supervisors and commanders. Frankly I just never see a scenario where our military would need to be firing off live rounds on this group. There has to be many non-lethal alternatives. That's all I'm saying.

[Truckman]

Frankly I just never see a scenario where our military would need to be firing off live rounds on this group.

If I'm attacked by multiple assailants visibly armed with rocks, who are backed by other assailants with unknown armament, my first reaction will be to put a 230 grain FMJ in the center mass of the closest miscreant...Others who continue to approach will receive the same greeting until the assault stops...My reasoning for this line of defense is I am responding with my most effective tool to a frontal assault by assailants presumably armed with their most efficient weapons...My intent is to stop the attack with minimum injury to all...

The US military will also respond with what they deem necessary to stop the attack, which will probably consist of 5.56mm FMJ's...In either case, the objective is stopping the assault, and in either case the assailant can and should expect deadly force...In the back of my mind will be the thought that the smartest of the attacking force may be armed with deadly offensive weapons, and will be positioned to advance behind the dumbest of the assailants who are armed with rocks...Watching the rock-bearers fall in front of them may deter the gun, grenade or rocket bearers from further advancement thereby preventing further bloodshed...

If they're dumb enough to bring rocks to a known gunfight, let them be mourned by those who were smart enough to learn a hard-earned lesson at the expense of others......Ben

[Mike]

I don't see any scenario where they would fire on the group, either. What I see is the possibility of firing on targeted individuals who are using deadly force against our personnel.

Rocks can be and have been used as deadly weapons.

[Wannabe]

Then you have those in the background who planned this whole thing waiting to spin whatever happens or doesn't happen to their advantage. It would be interesting to know for sure who all is behind this. There has been a lot of speculating, but is there any proof?

[Honda]

Well if our civilian police departments where to fire on subjects every time they hurled a rock or a bottle or something else at them we would probably kill about a couple
A hundred people a year in various cities in the northwest.

[Truckman]

Well if our civilian police departments where to fire on subjects every time they hurled a rock or a bottle or something else at them we would probably kill about a couple
A hundred people a year in various cities in the northwest.

Tom, are you equating civilian response against domestic criminals to military response against foreign invaders?......Ben

[TxMusky]

I believe they have shown their ability to use weapons when they entered the southern border of Mexico. The thing is, the drug cartels hold power over anything going across the US border. They get a cut from the coyotes for every single person smuggled across and many of those also carry drugs with them. These same coyotes are known to be well armed as are the cartel gangs that run with these guys. The threat of massive violence is a daily occurrence, on the Texas border I am positive, as many border Patrol agents have been my close friends over the years. They are in no way afraid of violence and do not mind killing or maiming anybody that gets in their way. Cutting throats or completely removing the head is okay with them, as well as raping the women and children.


I know it is hard for some people to fathom this, but it happens in real life down here. These guys are nasty, if they do not do as they are told, the punishment for them will be as severe or worse. I have seen a video where some poor guy was caught stealing drugs from them, he was held down and skinned alive from the shoulders down. After that they cut through the wall holding the guts in and opened him up alive until they found the packet of drugs he swallowed. They took the drugs and left the poor guy to slowly die, with no skin covering the chest and stomach muscles and with all of his innards laying attached but outside of his body. It was the most disgusting thing I have ever seen in my life and made me a believer that these people are capable of things so vile that most can not even wrap their minds around it.

[2ndthyme]

I don't see any scenario where they would fire on the group, either. What I see is the possibility of firing on targeted individuals who are using deadly force against our personnel.

Rocks can be and have been used as deadly weapons.

yeah, I'm fairly sure there was no scenario on Kent State for that either