Thoughts On “Caminata del Migrante (March of the Migrants)?”

[TxMusky]

Spread the fear Fred? WTF do you even stand for? Are you an opponent for law and order or are you one that likes law and order? You can not be both, you either respect the laws and abide by them or you are in favor of having no laws whatsoever.


In the case of corruption and lawlessness, is that not the very reason these people say they are fleeing their homeland? Is it okay for them to wipe their ass with our laws and ignore them? We have a legal means of entering this Country, in fact every Country has their own legal laws for people to enter their own sovereign territory. Mexico itself has rules for entering their Country....do you not remember the Marine that mistakenly made a wrong turn and ended up chained to a bed in a Mexican jail, while being repeatedly beaten? Was that how you want us to act? I will bet money we can find enough anti immigrant people to go in and whip the **** out of these criminals and treat them in the same manner the Marine was. WIthout laws, that is okay with you? I mean, if we are going to ****can one law why not ****can the whole bunch of them?


That is what gets me about liberals, they try to make laws they like and not follow the ones the do not like. That is not how laws work, you either follow them and change the ones you do not like by voting, or you just deal with and follow the laws on the books. You do not get to pick and choose, without consequences, the ones you choose to follow. That is why we have them, to prevent vigilante justice, but it looks like we may need to use some Charles Bronson style justice, so that the stupid people figure out no means no.

[wacojoe]

Sympathy trumps* legality in Lefty country.


*with a little t

[Mike]

Exactly! Not a one! We hold our line and let them holler all they want. We'll have dozens of reporters over there telling how horrible we are etc... Mexico let them through let Mexico feed them, I'll bet the hoards stop then.

Damn right!

[FredK]

What you guys don't understand is that the government doesn't own the border. Short of condemnation of property which would take years to sort out in courts the idea of a wall is just that a puff of smoke. Government can't place troops on people's property.Your idea of defending the border is just that an idea and no matter how noble that is doesn't make any sense. So no matter how you try so raise the argument it does fly.

Doesn't matter if you on either side of the aisle it isn't going to happen no matter what the guy in the White wants to lie about.

Stopping people is one thing stopping drugs is another. One requires the people using drugs to stop and that's not happening and the other requires people to have a credential to enter. That the courts ruled that some excuses are legal it's not up to me or you to say they can't be used.

I would say here's a green card, SS number and a work permit if they come and tell them this is what is expected of them. Pay taxes and if you want to be eligible for any benefits they have to become American citizens.

As for the number coming up the road that's a drop in the bucket compared to the number of Vietnam refugees.

[Mike]

I fully understand the government does not own all of the border. The government does, however, have an obligation to protect the border and I expect them to do just that. They can and will enter onto private property if they believe a crime is being, or about to be committed. Crossing the border without the proper clearance is a crime. It would be nice for the government to obtain a search warrant prior to making entry, but if exigent circumstances dictate, they can go without the search warrant.

Maybe. I don't really know what laws might pertain to to border.

[TxMusky]

Okay so the illegals can walk onto private land, but the first step they take off of that property, face plant them on the ground and arrest them, take them to the nearest BP station and put them on a bus back across the border. Simple fix, if those who own the land do not give a **** about the laws of the land. Otherwise the landowner is stuck with a whole bunch of people who can not leave their land and they must provife food water an shelter for them. You let them in on your land and refuse the Govt, then they are your problem and you must provide for them....be humane and all that other good stuff.

[FredK]

Hey if that's the rule of law Tx I all in favor of it, but I don't think it is. As to who made the law look to the people in power. And sometimes that wasn't the people in Congress.

Example guest workers for farmers, etc.... More examples of people that fit in the cracks than those that don't.

[TxMusky]

#1. Do you or do you not stand by the rule of law?



#2.Do you think that the present entry law on the books says it is okay for anybody to just walk into our Country and stay?



We do have very specific laws for entry into the USA, they have been in place long before Trump took office. Pissing and moaning about what is moral is beside the point. If some of these people would make a stand in their own Country, maybe things would be as good as we have it here. The USA has been through many things in our past, things like fighting for our independence from England, slavery, civil war, depressions, floods, droughts, and through it all we picked ourselves up and made changes for the better.



We did not put a change of underwear and a pair of socks into a bag and walk away from our homeland and into someplace else. We lived and learned and grew as a Country, to where we are a world power in education, production and generosity, as well as a superpower with our military. Those things were accomplished by hard work, dedication and perseverance through hardships and disasters.


Like an addict, sometimes the best thing for them and the hardest thing to do is to tell them no. Otherwise you become a crutch and an easy way to let them remain an addict to whatever it is that consumes them.

[wacojoe]

I have a hard time envisioning how we have enough troops to seal the Southern border. That’s why I am receptive to the concept of a wall. The Israelis, among others, have proven such can work.

[Mike]

I have a hard time envisioning how we have enough troops to seal the Southern border. That’s why I am receptive to the concept of a wall. The Israelis, among others, have proven such can work.

Bring the soldiers back from all the places we shouldn't be and there will be more than enough.

[TxMusky]

Well with a group of thousands of people and walking at that, it would be easy to figure out where they were heading and have the troops waiting there.

[mgrist]

Well with a group of thousands of people and walking at that, it would be easy to figure out where they were heading and have the troops waiting there.

Yep, I'm betting we can move quicker then they can.

[TxMusky]

Parts of Mexico are pretty rugged and a large group such as that will have to stick to the roads mainly. Not many places where food is available and very little water.

[mgrist]

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/201...und-the-world/

Here are the people that are coming and here's how they got through the Guatemalan border into Mexico. Doesn't sound like the kind of citizens we need or want.
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Trump just said he wasn't letting them in. Hope he sticks to it.

[wacojoe]

I’m sliding to agree with Fred here. No matter how many troops are standing on the bridge at the entry point, they cannot step across the border line to intercept or repell the on-coming hoards in Mexico, they do not have authority to forcibly repell migrants before they put a toe across, and once they do they cannot shove them back as long as the migrants are savvy enough to say the magic word — “asylum.” Areas away from entry points are even easier for jumpers, where it is physically impossible to guard 1954 miles with troops. If you can’t physically stop a man from setting foot over the line on a 100 foot-wide bridge, you sure as hell can’t on the whole length of the border.

I want to hear Trump’s secret plan to use troops to get around the law as it presently exists. The difference between Fred & myself is that Fred likes it that way. The law must be changed to thwart the get-out-of-jail-free card they all know to use.