Elephant in the room.
Do we give the Saudi a pass for killing the reporter? What does that do and say about human rights?
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Elephant in the room.
Do we give the Saudi a pass for killing the reporter? What does that do and say about human rights?
Fred
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stayed alive."
'Take care of yourself, and each other.'
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Any illusion that the US does not practice conditional morality is just that---an illusion.
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Muzzies killing Muzzies is a natural occurrence.
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“You can vote your way into socialism, but you have to shoot your way out.” — Too fundamental to have an attribution
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Hillary let them kill four of our embassy staff and no one cared.
Old redneck hillbilly borned and raised on a redwood stump.
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Personally, this does not inspire my confidence in our current administration. To be fair, though, prior presidents have been just as myopic.
Hunter
I don't care if it hurts. I want to have control. I want a perfect body. I want a perfect soul. - Creep by Radiohead
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I don't really care what the Saudis did to one of their own. Not our problem.
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I second that emotion. It is not our responsibility to cleanse that cesspool. Of course, if Trump does not do something drastic against our interests to uphold the honor of the Muslim Brotherhood itinerate “reporter” hired occasionally by the WaPo, then that paper might write bad things about him.Originally Posted by Mike
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What was his name Fred? any kids we need to worry about?
This is your mind on drugs!
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A little information about the alleged victim.
Khashoggi was born on Oct. 13, 1958 in Medina, Saudi Arabia.
He went to primary and secondary school in Saudi Arabia and to college in the United States at Indiana State University. He earned a bachelor’s degree in business administration there.
His grandfather was a personal physician to King Abdulaziz Al Saud, the founder of Saudi Arabia.
He is the cousin of Dodi Fayed, who dated Princess Diana and was killed in the car crash that took her life.
His uncle, Adnan Khashoggi, was an arms dealer who had a part in the Iran-Contra affair in the 1980s. At one point in the 1980s, Adnan Khashoggi was believed to be the richest man in the world.
He worked as a regional manager for a bookstore before he started his journalism career.
Khashoggi was a correspondent for the Saudi Gazette; an assistant manager for Okaz; a correspondent for several daily and weekly Saudi Arabian publications; the managing editor for Al Madina and a foreign correspondent for publicans in Afghanistan, Algeria, Kuwait and Sudan.
Khashoggi became editor for the Saudi Arabian newspaper Al Watan, but held that job only a few months. He fled from the country for London to live in exile.
He was a media aide to Prince Turki Al Faisal, the Saudi ambassador to the United States.
He went back to work for Al Watan in 2007, but was forced to resign in 2010 after he published a column by a poet that criticized the government.
He launched the satellite news channel Al-Arab in 2015. It lasted for 11 hours before it was shut down by Bahrain, where the operation was located.
He was a commentator for several networks and a freelance writer for The Washington Post.
He was friends with Osama bin Laden and interviewed him several times.
He moved to United States in June 2007.
In a March 2018 appearance on Al Jazeera TV’s “Upfront,” Khashoggi said he’d left Saudi Arabia “because I don’t want to be arrested.”
He was married and divorced. He went to Turkey to get some paperwork concerning his divorce so he could marry his fiancée, Hatice Cengiz. Cengiz waited for him to come out of the consulate in Turkey for 11 hours.
So he's not this long-suffering American journalist that he's being made out to be. I hate that he got murdered but I just don't see the United States getting and all the big tizzy over it.
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You left out the part where he was a fervent member of the fundamentalist Whahabbi Muslim Brotherhood, which are the chief enemy of MBS, who MBS has been trying to remove from power thereby modernizing a smidgeon, and probably why Kashogghi is now deeply out of reach on this mortal coil. No harm; no foul; not our problem. Our ONLY valid goal with regard to Saudi Arabia is to make our best use of them for our own best interests in which we are and will remain deeply entangled. Harming our interests because someone gets miffed over one inner-family affair is ridiculous.
Yes, it was a cruel blow Yahweh dealt, when it put much of the world’s most valuable asset under the feet of a ragtag mess of sheep herders, but that’s the way the cookie crumbled, so we have to deal with it.
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