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Think things in the U.S. are getting hotter?
...”For the region and nation (all stations) the number of 90, 95 and 100F all continue the downtrend since the 1930s. Nights are warmer thanks to the fact most observations are now in urban centers or airports, which hold the daytime heat.”...
http://icecap.us/images/uploads/HLN_PDF.pdf
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As long as there is money to be made the truth won't matter, never has never will.
Every one has an agenda, good, bad or indifferent. Those with money and the means to make more are the ones who's agenda we will live by, life, limb and liberty be damned, money talks.
This is your mind on drugs!
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You can do anything with numbers. Make them show the climate is cooling, warming and even staying the same. The difference is how they are presented.
Is the climate doing any of the above? Who the hell knows!We never will because there is no honest reporting anymore everyone wants to make things fit their agenda.
So, mark me down as not caring, one way or the other. I'll just keep on living the same way I have for almost 66 years now. Not the longest life of anyone on this board, but long enough to say BS!!!!
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We have winter and summer, there's some difference in the temp.
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Damn Mike I think I said almost the exact same words to my wife the other day. Agreed 1 million percentOriginally Posted by Mike
You can do anything with numbers. Make them show the climate is cooling, warming and even staying the same. The difference is how they are presented.
Is the climate doing any of the above? Who the hell knows!
So, mark me down as not caring, one way or the other. I'll just keep on living the same way I have for almost 66 years now. Not the longest life of anyone on this board, but long enough to say BS!!!!
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It is a sad state that we find ourselves in, one in which science is replaced by politics. Your numbers are frankly worthless as they "relate" to science, but that does not mean they are not twisted and spun in the interest of politics.
You introduced the "scientific" explanation for warmer nights--dismissing that as being related to the impact of cities. I am unable to quantify that impact but I can tell you the use of that "fact" is typical of the political crowd--who disdains the science.
The same reason you include to explain higher nighttime temperatures also decreases the daytime temperatures----did your source mention that?
A city is one huge heat sink, the streets, sidewalks, buildings--even the cars are energy absorbers. They absorb the suns energy during the day and release it at night. In exactly the same way that they can retain a higher temperature during the night they can have the opposite impact during the day as they require more energy to increase in temperature.
Did your source mention that?
BTW, not that it is germane to the science but I believe we have or are close to a record number of 90+ deg days in the NYC area. Yesterday at 5 PM it was 100F.
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Just the facts, mam, just the facts. The graph depicts the historical record of the last 100 years in the United States as collected by all the official weather stations in this country. If you think the author fudged the numbers, I am sure you would have pointed that out. You did not.
If the numbers were not fudged or incorrect, then it seems correct to observe a downward trend of maximum temperatures in the continental United States over the last 100 years. It would be relevant to note that ~1/3 of weather stations were purged from official status about 20 years ago and the vast majority of those removed were rural in nature, thus biasing the remainder toward urban heat sinks. If anything, the record in the last decades have been jiggled toward a warmer record, yet look at the graph.
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You miss the point of the science---it is all about global averages and not extremes in any one area.
You also failed to comment on the issue of only mentioning the night time impact of the city heat sink while ignoring the "inconvenient" impact to the daytime temperatures.
It is pointless to continue this debate---you are vested in the political (convenient) argument which I reject--so be it.
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"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
"Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
“You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis
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The graph was never put forth to represent global averages. It does show we are not suffering more measured hottest days in this country. The facts are what they are.
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I noticed that you failed to address the absence of including the moderating impact of the heat sink on daytime temperatures---that must be what they call the texas two step
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
"Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
“You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis
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Post your authority for “moderating effects in daytime of urban island effects,” please. I am familiar with studies and observations of large numbers of siting of weather stations in close proximity of heat sinks such as cement/asphalt runways and parking lots, which skew the record higher. Some even located next to air-conditioning compressors.
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My "authority" includes Heat Transfer I and II and Thermodynamics I and II----it is basic engineering knowledge.
Still on the two step I see.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
"Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
“You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis
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I see you have never walked in a paved parking lot during the day in the sun.
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“You can vote your way into socialism, but you have to shoot your way out.” — Too fundamental to have an attribution
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Joe, you may be an excellent lawyer but you are not worth a damn as an engineer.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
"Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
“You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis
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It occurred to me last night that if you are still in doubt---go find yourself a Pueblo Indian who lives in an adobe house---he may not be able to explain the science but he surely knows the effect.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
"Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
“You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis
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