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You obviously need some education on CO2. As the CO2 levels increase, the planet has become greener as a result. I would post studies, but, as my daddy told me, “Don’t argue with a sign post.”Originally Posted by 2ndthyme
stopped reading Joe on climate change when he posited the theory that plants will thrive because CO2 is a fertilizer
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Nov 5, 1946 - Nov 19, 2018I think it was a National Geographic I read years ago that in the age of the dinosaurs (which was quite a long period of time) the CO2 levels were 5 times higher than it is today. It said that plant growth was rampant. It has been said that is the reason we have so much oil today. Just a little warmer and a little more CO2 and maybe we could end the hunger in the world. The liberals should embrace that.
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Perhaps you should do a search on carbon dioxide fertilization......stopped reading Joe on climate change when he posited the theory that plants will thrive because CO2 is a fertilizer
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She probably thinks plants, and animals in turn, get the major building block of their cells, carbon, and from the soil.
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The use of fertilizer to describe carbon dioxide was terminology I have not previously seen. Doing a bit of research I find that while it does not meet the strict definition of fertilizer it is being talked about in some arenas in those terms.
It also seemed reasonable that being one of the basic components of photosynthesis if it were increased there could be an increase in plant growth. As it turns out that is only partially true. That link is only one of a number that I looked at.
So---is it a fertilizer? In a broad sense it is called that. Does increasing the concentration increase plant growth? That is a mixed bag and surely seems not to be a linear relationship.
The bottom line---don't expect utopia at the end of the carbon dioxide increase.
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If plant food is fertilizer, then carbon dioxide is a fertilizer. The vast majority of the carbon that is gluing your body (and all other organisms) together came in a path from extraction of CO2 from the tiny proportion in the atmosphere. As a general rule, the more of it in the air; the more green the surface of the planet unless it reaches toxic levels, which is debated, but is likely around the 6000 ppm level. The planet now is in the 400 ppm range, which is bumping the bottom of where it has ever been in the long history of Earth, and which varies widely depending on where the sample is taken.
Often, growers inject CO2 into greenhouses to facilitate faster and more prolific growth in crops. I would have thought a grower such as 2T would have known that and put 2 & 2 together. It is no secret.
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Dave, if you have not presented one thing in this entire thread as fact, but have kept the thread going for this long....then what exactly is your argument and what are you trying to show? You presented a NYT article, was that also supposedly not to be considered as "fact"? I guess I just do not get where you are really coming from and what you are trying to represent if you are not citing facts in all of your "arguments",
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BS James-----just answer the question. The truth is you can't---so now we go to the duck and weave----hot air James---just a lot of hot air.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
"Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
“You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis
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SO you have based your entire plethora of comments as nothing more than opinion? Yet you have browbeat anybody that interjects their own "opinion", so why would you all of a sudden want some kind of proof of "facts" if you have not presented any? You have made your feelings known that Waco and I both are presenting opinions far beneath your "opinions", but then you turn around and say you have not presented anything that could be considered factual?
WTF was your entire argument about then? Were you bored and needing to release some steam by showing two fellow members how ignorant you think we are? We are not "qualified' to have an opinion?
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^^^
I offer that my #16 post above refuted your recitation of “moderating effects in daytime of urban island effects.”
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Read #17, your #16 supported what I was saying---there is no inconsistency there.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
"Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
“You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis
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Looks like we are in a going nowhere loop.
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Seems like it
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
"Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
“You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis
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