legal American citizen murders wife and children

[2ndthyme]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...ghters-n902346

Christopher Lee Watts, the Colorado man who had pleaded publicly for the safe return of his family, claimed that he killed his wife in a fit of rage after he saw her killing their two young daughters, according to court documents released Monday.

Watts, 33, of Frederick, a suburb north of Denver, was charged Monday with five counts of murder in the deaths of his wife, Shanann Watts, 34, and their daughters, Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3.

In addition to the first-degree murder counts, he was charged with a single count of unlawful termination of a pregnancy and three counts of tampering with a deceased human body. Prosecutors brought two murder charges for each of the girls' deaths, the second of which cited the death of a child who "had not yet attained twelve years of age and the defendant was in a position of trust."

[wacojoe]

If this lame* attempt is to draw some kind of equivalence with American citizens committing the similar crimes to illegal aliens doing the same, let me be the first to point out the justice system cannot prevent such crimes occurring by expelling a citizen either in anticipation of such acts or even afterwards, but can expel, or even better, prevent illegal aliens from being here in the first place. Indeed, the authorities have a duty to keep them out of the country.

There is a stark difference in the status of the individuals.

I am a fan of the M&M analogy: if a bowl of M&M’s is known to have a small few of poisoned M&M’s in it, would you eat one?


*ooowh, trigger word!

[2ndthyme]

If this lame* attempt is to draw some kind of equivalence with American citizens committing the similar crimes to illegal aliens doing the same, let me be the first to point out the justice system cannot prevent such crimes occurring by expelling a citizen either in anticipation of such acts or even afterwards, but can expel, or even better, prevent illegal aliens from being here in the first place. Indeed, the authorities have a duty to keep them out of the country.

There is a stark difference in the status of the individuals.

I am a fan of the M&M analogy: if a bowl of M&M’s is known to have a small few of poisoned M&M’s in it, would you eat one?


*ooowh, trigger word!

the fact is we are not free of crime here even with no ilegal immigrants. our crime rates. The scare tactic of highlighting crimes by undocumented persons fails the test of, "we are safer when they aren't here"

The Iowa college student had a higher chance of being murdered by an American citizen than she did an illegal alien.

[Billy_Rightwing]

What the hell does being legal have to do with this? Its murder ether who does it.

[2ndthyme]

What the hell does being legal have to do with this? Its murder ether who does it.

did you ask that of Tx when he titled his post about the Iowa student?

[Independent Voter]

2T , Would the young lady believe today if the illegal individual were not in the U.S. ?

The answer must be YES. Therefore, it stands to reason that her chance of being murdered by a citizen was not higher since she had not been murdered until the illegal committed the act.

[wacojoe]

the fact is we are not free of crime here even with no ilegal immigrants. our crime rates. The scare tactic of highlighting crimes by undocumented persons fails the test of, "we are safer when they aren't here"

The Iowa college student had a higher chance of being murdered by an American citizen than she did an illegal alien.

Lefty logic on display.
The sad part is that our own 2T does not see the gaping holes in this “logic.”

[Mike]

the fact is we are not free of crime here even with no ilegal immigrants. our crime rates. The scare tactic of highlighting crimes by undocumented persons fails the test of, "we are safer when they aren't here"

The Iowa college student had a higher chance of being murdered by an American citizen than she did an illegal alien.

No logic in that at all. :Shrug:

The more criminals in the room (country), the more likely you are to be victimized. If reducing illegal immigration lessens the number of criminals in our country, your chances of being victimized drops.

[Honda]

The left is so blinded by their hate for the president and the need to force their agenda nothing really matters it's all get Trump out and get our agenda down the road. Nothing else matters logic reason all of that is gone it's all about the agenda

[2ndthyme]

https://amp.businessinsider.com/undo...cs-data-2018-8

No logic in that at all. :Shrug:

The more criminals in the room (country), the more likely you are to be victimized. If reducing illegal immigration lessens the number of criminals in our country, your chances of being victimized drops.

the numbers dont bear that out. The overall effect of illegals in our society actually dilutes our percaptita violent crime rate.

[wacojoe]

Your argument that Mollie Tibbetts would have likely been killed by U.S. murderers anyway belies that she was in fact murdered by an alien here illegally. I posit that reality trumps fantasy.

You have screwed your logic so fatally to prove a point that does not exist (we are safer with alien criminals than without them), that you are doing backflips to get there. It is undeniable that Mollie and many others would be alive and well today had her real attacker and many like him been prevent from being in this country or removed timely. You are playing the I can prove anything with statistics game, but not disproving the fact that Tibbetts is dead horribly at the hands of a person you excuse for being here to do it. There are, as I said, many others like her each of whom would have been spared if existing laws were enforced.

Let me ask the question: do you think immigration laws should be enforced?

[2ndthyme]

Your argument that Mollie Tibbetts would have likely been killed by U.S. murderers anyway belies that she was in fact murdered by an alien here illegally. I posit that reality trumps fantasy.

You have screwed your logic so fatally to prove a point that does not exist (we are safer with alien criminals than without them), that you are doing backflips to get there. It is undeniable that Mollie and many others would be alive and well today had her real attacker and many like him been prevent from being in this country or removed timely. You are playing the I can prove anything with statistics game, but not disproving the fact that Tibbetts is dead horribly at the hands of a person you excuse for being here to do it. There are, as I said, many others like her each of whom would have been spared if existing laws were enforced.

Let me ask the question: do you think immigration laws should be enforced?

at base, she was a woman who refused a man and was murdered for it. Violence against women. Nothing unusual but sad all the same.
Mollie was apparently a strong young feminist with very liberal ideals. Her grief stricken loved ones are horrorified at the political use of her death by Republicans trying to scare ppl with illegal immigrants.

[wacojoe]

You did not answer the question.

[Wannabe]

Joe, why is it she doesn't answer your questions?

[TxMusky]

did you ask that of Tx when he titled his post about the Iowa student?

Oh so we are going to make this about me? Murder is wrong, no matter who commits it, even worse when it could have been prevented. Period.


So here a while back you came in here hyperventilating about everything men do, now I am trying to take the side of an innocent girl and you are protecting her killer? What is wrong with you, did you miss some meds or have too many drinks?