Trump calls out Germany over Russian pipeline

[TxMusky]

Trump made a good point against the Germans, we are paying billions of dollars to NATO to protect the European Countries from Russia and here Germany is sending them billions of dollars to get a Russian gas pipeline built to them. I am sure that Putin is not real happy about Trump raising that point, not to mention, also pointing out that Russia can control them with that pipeline.


I am also sure that it should be a glaring sign that he and Putin are not the "buddies" that the Dems are trying to make him out to be. If Trump was working with Putin, then he just flipped him the bird when he pointed out that pipeline. In fact I would wager a guess that since we can now sell LNG to other Countries, he was looking at selling a large amount of AMERICAN produced natural gas. That would open up the taps on a lot of wells that are marginal producers, and would help our economy even more.


Out here in the Permian Basin unemployment is maybe 2 percent and of those it is the ones who can not pass a drug test or have a major felony on their record, that would keep a reputable company from hiring them due to insurance conflicts.

[Dave Grubb]

Gen. Kelly said it all without uttering a word

Vintage Trump---big bully---intimidator---I expect nothing else.

The good news is---this too will pass.

[TxMusky]

I will say it again, the old way of doing things was not working, if it takes intimidating these lifetime politicians into not screwing the USA or to actually get something constructive done, so be it. We are paying our tax dollars, at the rate of almost 4%, while these asshats are in some cases only payingless than 2% and some almost nothing. This is for THEIR protection from Russia!! We can protect ourselves, if you are going to ask somebody to help protect you, the last thing you should do is screw those willing to help you. NATO and especially Germany got caught red-handed, blame Trump or say something derogatory, but this type of stuff is what I hired him to do. America first, do not take my money and then talk crap about me, screw that, I will take my money and stay home.


ANother side note to all of the Russian hoax crowd, what Trump did, by calling out Germany and pointing out that the people using Russian gas are helping the Russians. DO you still think that he is working with Putin? Russia's economy is pretty shaky, Trump just told the EU and NATO how to keep Putin in check and it may even cost him his power in his home Country of Russia.


For the record all of the past POTUS's in our past 30 or 40 years have all said THE EXACT SAME THING!! They have all made speeches about the NATO countries have not been paying up for their own protection. The NATO budget is around a trillion dollars a year, we are paying about 60 % of that ourselves, the very least the others could do is to keep us happy.

[Billy_Rightwing]

NATO has met there match, now there scratching there posteriors trying to figure it all out.

[TxMusky]

Think about it, obviously the Germans are not. Russia cut off the gas to Ukraine for weeks and then invaded them. WHat are the Germans doing with Russia? They are building an 800 mile gas pipeline to be installed in the Baltic Sea....800 miles. There is an abundance of gas and oil in the North Sea, just a ways off of the western shores of Germany. Let's take a closer look at some of the more "suspicious" events leading up to this point on this particular pipeline.


Gerhard Schroeder of the Social Democrat party, Angela Merkel's predecessor, was all for getting this pipeline going. The German govt said it was to make sure Germany had ample gas supplies. In 2005 Putin;s friend Schroeder hurriedly signed the paperwork to get it started as he was leaving office. He went from office to leading the team overseeing the project and was on the board of the group of companies run or owned by the Russian state owned Gazprom. Schroeder is now the chairman of Roseneft, which is Russia's largest oil company controlled by the Kremlin. As a reminder, Merkel is also from East Germany so she could have a stake or a soft spot in her heart for the Russian's.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.4d35d7ff5f75

[TxMusky]

ANd before I get called out, yes I know this latest one will be the one I am referring to. There is already a Nord Stream, this will be a second and totally different line Nord Stream 2 laid close to the first. Is it a way for Russia to cutoff most of Europe but to give Germany all they want? The beginning terminals are coming from 2 different places probably 100 miles apart. Russia and Germany were partners in the last World War we had, are those bastards teaming up to try another one? How about that for a conspiracy theory?

[mgrist]

Russia and Germany were partners in the last World War we had, are those bastards teaming up to try another one? How about that for a conspiracy theory?

Russia lost...I forget, over a million men fighting the Germans, what are you talking about?

[Dork]

Germans, Muslims, Russians all only respect force, power, being a pussy like obama or a wimp like clinton get's you laughed at and no respect & that's just fact.

If you do not project power, you get no respect.....

Gen. Kelly said it all without uttering a word

Vintage Trump---big bully---intimidator---I expect nothing else.

The good news is---this too will pass.

[Dork]

Europe: An entire continent on welfare.

[TxMusky]

Russia lost...I forget, over a million men fighting the Germans, what are you talking about?

Yes they did, but the leaders were cozy with Hitler, right up to the time Hilter screwed them.

[Dave Grubb]

Yes they did, but the leaders were cozy with Hitler, right up to the time Hilter screwed them.

If that is the criteria, you can include much of the world in that---it was called appeasement.

[TxMusky]

And then Russia took it and ran with it and we have decades of the Cold War. IMHO we are still in one as nobody trusts the Russians with Putin at the helm. Is Schroeder and company trying to relive the past? Germany has a problem with playing by the rules as has been shown with the fine paid by Volkswagon about their cheating on the pollution controls on their vehicles.


If you want protection from Russia, you do not get into a deal with them and give them billions of dollars to supply you with a necessity, and then not ante up to your commitment to a deal that is providing you protection with many other Countries contributing to the pot. It may be legal but it leaves a bad taste in your mouth, especially if you are an American taxpayer who is watching billions of their tax dollars going to fund these clowns. That 700 billion we send to NATO could be well spend back here at home. Top that with Merkel talking trash about Trump, well she is a cheeky thing isn't she?

[wacojoe]

Germany is one of the world’s great industrial powers. Industry is a slave to power demands, mostly electrical power demands. It tried its new policy of Energiewende, which emphasized “renewable” energy processes, particularly wind and solar, and has found it to be enormously expensive and much too unreliable for industrial needs. In addition, they bizarrely decided to do a hatchet job on their robust nuclear power plants in response to a tsunami in Japan even though their plants were not situated in any danger of such an occurrence, which does not historically happen there anyway. Wacky. They have presently gone back toward coal powered plants, but having bought the greenie fears of global warming, hate themselves for doing so.

The only viable solution as they see it is natural gas and Russia is the closest, best place for it. If Tex is correct about the North Sea being a better solution for that, I have missed seeing mention elsewhere of the possibility. The problem is that reliance on Russia for their life’s blood of power leaves them dangling with Russia’s wire around their nuts waiting to be jerked. The direction your nuts go is the direction you go. The U.S. can produce and ship major quantities of liquefied natural gas, but I doubt at near the rates of pipeline sources. Keep in mind too, gas that goes there makes it more scarce here, thus driving up our prices. I would think Dave would like that.

Once again, logic tells me, they, like us, need to cycle toward nuclear power production with some of the newer, safer methods.

Trump jumping Merkel’s leavings in the blatant manner he did is unproductive, it seems to me, unless she is driven out of power soon by a combination of domestic factors. If he wants to drive a stake in her heart - and it has been talked about a lot lately - he will mention pulling bases out of Germany and/or Europe. Europe has been sucking at our teat for decades and could stand a good shock of reality.

[Mike]

.......Germany has a problem with playing by the rules as has been shown with the fine paid by Volkswagon about their cheating on the pollution controls on their vehicles.

Germany is bad because Volkswagen cheated? Really? An entire country is bad because of the acts of one company?

That's like saying the U.S. is bad because of Anthony Weiner. All of us. You too!

[Dork]

What's wrong with Anthony Weiner, that's the Democrats best hope for the next election and Trump ill b running against

Germany is bad because Volkswagen cheated? Really? An entire country is bad because of the acts of one company?

That's like saying the U.S. is bad because of Anthony Weiner. All of us. You too!