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As of last Thursday the claim was to reunite all the separated kids with their parents/guardians. That was said to be doable by the end of last weekend. Now a week latter only a hand full have been reunited.
Was this just one more Trump lie or a glaring example of gross incompetence on the part of the Administration?
I have shared my feelings with my Congress critters--i hope you do as well.
Last edited by Dave Grubb; 06-29-2018 at 10:30 AM.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
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How about it being a lack of knowledge as to what it takes to make that happen and the amount of time it takes?
The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible - Arthur C. Clarke
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---that would be incompetence in my book
At very best, there seems to have been no thinking this "plan" through.
I am most annoyed now because there seems to be no urgency or even embarrassment to the lack of activity. Where the hell are the liberals?
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
"Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
“You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis
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Might it have something to do with a considerable number of the “separated” children were separated from people claiming parenthood to game the system and have no interest in being reunited and 5 out of 6 children (most of them teenagers, or older claiming to be teenagers) crossed the border without any attending adult in the first place?
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Without verifiable ID's how can we be sure that the kids are getting back with their biological parents? Without the immigrants being vetted BEFORE they crossed the border, with the Mexican govt verifying that the people AND the children are who they say they really are, and giving them a passport to enter the USA, how in the hell are we going to know who is who and who belongs to who??
All of the rest of this garbage is nothing but lip service. We American citizens have to show more proof to get into a damn elementary school to pick up our own children!!
Please, please, just for a minute, stop with the hate Trump rhetoric and think rationally. I know for a fact that you are much smarter than that. These kids DO need protection, but the problem is many of these kids are NOT with their biological parents, and are being subjected to a fate far worse than being in a detention center where they are fed, receive medical care and are protected.
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What a feeble argument---you sound like someone not wanting an answer. I've spent my life disproving that kind of wrongheadedness.
As for the claim that these kids are pawns and not with their parents---show me the proof---until then that remains in the bucket with the rest of the diversions.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
"Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
“You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis
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People coming across our borders unauthorized (or staying beyond permission) ARE the ultimate diversion. We owe these folks zip.
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We owe them simple human decency.
We are not animals.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
"Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
“You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis
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We owe ourselves simple human decency delivered and In my view, we have been dealing in simple human decency. I would wager the family farm, how we house the children both accompanied and unaccompanied is the best facility the vast majority has ever been in.
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They are getting better care and attention now, than they have ever had in their lives. That is the thing you guys do not understand. If their life at home was so good, why would they leave that and walk thousands of miles without food, water and surrounded by untold dangers, to go to a place that they knew nothing about and had no idea what to expect?
Call it a feeble answer, call me a fool, but it is the naysayers that do not understand what they are really talking about. I lived on the border, I worked and interacted with many illegals on the ranches and in construction jobs and have heard their stories. I lived it, so please do not try to whitewash what I know, as ignorance or incompetence. They faced horrible challenges just getting to the ranch to work and that was the easy part. After being paid in cash, the journey back to the family in Mexico was even worse. The coyotes and thieves knew that anybody walking south had cash and would beat them and rob them of everything they had worked so hard for.
I actually helped one guy who I worked with for almost a year. He was dreading going back and told me why. I told him that I would bring him a money order for his cash and he could pay me for it. Make it out to his family member and the ranch would mail it for him. I would take him with me on the way home and drop him off a little ways from where I knew a Border Patrol car would be sitting and he could let them catch him. He would be picked up, taken to a processing place and be put on an airconditioned bus and be shipped back home. His money was safely mailed to his relatives and he would not have to face the long walk home. 6 months later he showed back up at the same ranch and gave me a hug like a long lost friend, telling me that he and his money arrived safely and he was so grateful for the idea. Great guy, hard working honest man and I think about him often, he used to call me Yams, because he had trouble saying James.
Yes at first glance I can see how somebody would say this is horrible, that person may be living in a high rise penthouse or in a 4,000 sq ft home overlooking the ocean and can not even fathom what these folks have come from. If we did nothing but give them a cot in a temperature controlled room, fed them twice a day and gave them a shower and clean clothes, they would think they have died and gone to heaven. Where you make your mistake is using your life and conditions as a baseline, their baseline would border the outskirts of hell.
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What you don't understand James is that they are separated from their parents----anything else is secondary.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
"Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
“You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis
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Dave I get that, some of the kids, in fact most of the kids are not with parents, they are being used by smugglers and other nefarious characters to gain entrance to America. They have learned to use our laws against us, just like the radical terrorists have. Out of 10,000 kids in the centers only 2,000 have said they have parents. Of those it is up in the air as to whether those people are actually their parents or not. Who knows and without a DNA test we may never know.
Please do not fall into the trap, the kids are not being treated wrongly, it is the far left using this as a diversion. Seriously, take a look at the Congress critters and celebrities that are getting facetime over this. Then compare those same people to those who are raising cane about abortion being legal and remaining so. If they are protesting the treatment of these children and are demanding that women remain able to have abortions, turn your back on them. You can not want to help one, and at the same time demand the right to kill one.
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We owe them a wall so that they don't have to come into our country and suffer the indignity you are talking aboutOriginally Posted by Dave Grubb
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So, this morning comes word that the date is now the end of next month and an admission of never having a plan for reunification.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
"Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
“You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis
Nov 5, 1946 - Nov 19, 2018Total Reunification would mean sending a good portion of the children back to where they came from. Is that what you want Dave?
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