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  1. 06-26-2018, 01:13 PM #1
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    The First US - Mexico Border Fence

    In early August 1918, Felix B. Peñaloza, the presidente municipal, or mayor, of Nogales, Mexico, ordered construction of a fence running along the boundary line between his city and Nogales, Arizona. The fence would consist of six wires strung to a height of six feet. His intent was to direct the flow of people crossing the border through two gateways, to make it easier for a growing number of soldiers, customs agents and other officials to oversee transborder movement. Peñaloza also met with U.S. representatives to discuss a second, parallel fence, to be built by the Americans. Mexican officials said they “would welcome the building of such a fence by the United States Government, as it would aid officials on both sides of the line in enforcing their regulations,” and they insisted that “such action would not be irritating or offensive to Mexican sentiment.”
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    Not to sound like a pessimist---but it doesn't sound like we have learned much in 100 years!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Grubb View Post
    Not to sound like a pessimist---but it doesn't sound like we have learned much in 100 years!
    Why should we, we change and re-wright history so it's politically correct.....

    Now Little House on The Prairie in a bad book, a racist book and is being banned.

    How can you ban Little House on the Prairie........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Grubb View Post
    Not to sound like a pessimist---but it doesn't sound like we have learned much in 100 years!
    That was why I posted the article. In over 100 years, we have made no real progress on the border. Why should anyone think it can be easily fixed today?
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    I read a biography of a cowboy who grew up and ranched in west Texas and his name was Apache Adams. I think the name was "Tied hard and Fast" as I dug around a little more I found it. Highly recommend it. Anyway, they ranched across the river from Mexican ranchers and once or twice a year the Texans would go help the Mexicans round up their cattle and bring back any strays that had ventured across the Rio Grande and returned them to their owners. The Mexicans would do the same for the Texans and they all got along like brothers, always respecting the abilities of their counterparts. They did not need a fence as both sides would police their own side and prevent trouble from visiting their neighbors.


    Friendship can work as long as there is mutual respect and help coming from both sides. The problem starts when somebody decides they are going to take advantage of the other and then we get exactly what we have now. Politicians messed this up and created the problems we are dealing with. Both sides.



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    Thanks for the book tip, TX. I just ordered it.
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    You will not be disappointed. I know a couple of guys in the book out here. They said the guy was tough as nails.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    That was why I posted the article. In over 100 years, we have made no real progress on the border. Why should anyone think it can be easily fixed today?
    I for one don't think it can be easily fixed but I think it can be fixed ask China and Russia how many people come through their borders a day. It's also just since I kind of know how things go around here sometime I'm not advocating that we should be Russia or China I'm only stating that borders can be secured.
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    There’s not much difference between being in China or Russia, I wouldn’t image. The problem arises when one side of the border is perceived as hugely disparently better than the other. A better example may be the wall built in Israel, although the Latinos (or Latinx in newspeak) do not seek to kill us for the most part like many Palestinians want to kill the Israelis.
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    When I was in Romania we drove up into the Ukraine and Moldavia. This was in 95 not that long after the break up, everything was wide open twenty three years ago. Not sure about now.
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    Hey Mike, I had dinner with the guy that grew up with Apache's kids tonight and he reminded me of another good read. It is called Beneath the Window, and it is about ranching in the Chisos mountains which is now known and Big Bend Natl Park. You will like this one as well.
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    Thanks.

    You might like THE TRAIL DRIVERS OF TEXAS. It is a book with stories from the actual men who made the cattle drives written in the early 1900s while they were still alive.
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    I may give that one a shot. Having it sent to my tablet now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    That was why I posted the article. In over 100 years, we have made no real progress on the border. Why should anyone think it can be easily fixed today?
    because Trump says so

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ndthyme View Post
    because Trump says so
    Really? That's all you've got? I thought better of you!
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