How come we are paying for the wall?

[FredK]

Guess and who actually did it could be different players. But then you got that covered.

[TxMusky]

OK the leap you are making is that he was shot by these guys. Got anything else?

I will say it probably wasn't the little old ladies playing bingo every thursday, but I could be wrong.


How is it that you can not believe that scenario could happen with all kinds of evidence pointing that direction, but you can fall hook line and sinker for Russians and Trump working covertly to defeat Hilliary?

[FredK]

I'm wondering if Dork's guy was in the helo or relaying gossip?

I will say it probably wasn't the little old ladies playing bingo every thursday, but I could be wrong.

Me too.

[FredK]

Another question for Dork why should we pay for a wall on this guys (Jim) property?

Would you want the government to pay for putting up walls between your neighbors?

[Dork]

Keep wondering.......

I'm wondering if Dork's guy was in the helo or relaying gossip?

Me too.

[Dork]

Is not the purpose of a Government to provide a safe place for it's citizens to live.....

If he is willing to give up his land freely for a wall, why should the Government turn that away, it's helping provide for a safe and secure country.....and taking a loss by giving up his land.

This is a border wall, not a neighborhood wall, it's a wall between 2 countries, one who pushes it's citizens and visitors across and into America illegally.....

Where do you live, do you live safe and sound due to having police, fire, ems at your call if/when needed, arre the police proactive in stopping and preventing local crime....why should you live any safer than anybody else.....

Another question for Dork why should we pay for a wall on this guys (Jim) property?

Would you want the government to pay for putting up walls between your neighbors?

[FredK]

Haven't heard that he's willing to give up land freely, have you Dork?

[wacojoe]

I’ve heard it both ways. There are interviews I have seen with ranchers with land on the border describing constant dangerous run-ins with smugglers and such who relate how fed up they are with the situation and would relish an effective wall or any means to stop it, and I have read interviews with other owners who consider a wall as an unwelcome taking of their property. I also read an article about a large Indian Reservation on the New Mexico border that will not allow border patrol on the Rez because they have a cozy deal with the cartels.

In the final analysis it is not up to the property owners on our border.

[Dork]

Haven't heard that he's willing to give up land freely, have you Dork?

Yes........please read what I've posted....

And I wil post another article for you.

[Dork]

I have posted about that Res, even back in the day before this site was created....if you could find the archives of Jason's or the Rat Shack...idk where it would be exactly.....

Not that anybody believes me, but I've got a friend/troop who works on that res as a cop, he lives in Tuscon.....and I've ridden with him on the border and in the res, spent a 12 hour **** with him....and had a Mexican Hummer with a 50 cal pointing its MG at us on the Res.....and he uses a cell phone to cal it in as they listen on the radio.....and how unmarked black hawk helicopters came in and ran the hummer off.

Some ranchers want the wall, some want a closed border, enforced the current laws and a BP agent in eyesight of the next one all along the border and not a wall.

When I rode on the Res (and I still have the license plate) we pulled over a suburban that had 12-15 illegals in it...and they were handed over to the Border Patrol on the res....

The Res goes into Mexico, they say the border crosses the res and not the res crosses the border and go back and forth freely....and smugglers use that....we saw camps, water stashes and all kinds of other sit...talking to people who lived on ranches on the res, they were afraid for their life from the smugglers.....

Now the guy I know flying choppers covers part of this area....and the sit he sees....and what he does not see....

I’ve heard it both ways. There are interviews I have seen with ranchers with land on the border describing constant dangerous run-ins with smugglers and such who relate how fed up they are with the situation and would relish an effective wall or any means to stop it, and I have read interviews with other owners who consider a wall as an unwelcome taking of their property. I also read an article about a large Indian Reservation on the New Mexico border that will not allow border patrol on the Rez because they have a cozy deal with the cartels.

In the final analysis it is not up to the property owners on our border.

[TxMusky]

Here is what not having the wall is costing us...

At the federal, state, and local levels, taxpayers shell out approximately $134.9 billion to cover the costs incurred by the presence of more than 12.5 million illegal aliens, and about 4.2 million citizen children of illegal aliens. That amounts to a tax burden of approximately $8,075 per illegal alien family member and a total of $115,894,597,664. The total cost of illegal immigration to U.S. taxpayers is both staggering and crippling. In 2013, FAIR estimated the total cost to be approximately $113 billion. So, in under four years, the cost has risen nearly $3 billion. This is a disturbing and unsustainable trend. The sections below will break down and further explain these numbers at the federal, state, and local levels.....
https://www.fairus.org/issue/publica...ates-taxpayers

[Dave Grubb]

Just think---if they ever build the wall, all those aliens that now "cost" so much---have to stay

I'd like to see the full balance sheet on illegal aliens---just as a point of reference.

[TxMusky]

Just think---if they ever build the wall, all those aliens that now "cost" so much---have to stay

I'd like to see the full balance sheet on illegal aliens---just as a point of reference.

Believe it or not I would too. We both know that will never happen though, either way, if it shows anything at all the opposing side will not let the truth be known.

[wacojoe]

It seems to me the cost side of the balance sheer is easier to figure than the benefit side. Because the cohort is largely under the table working on fake ID’s, it is difficult to measure the considerable work they perform that is a huge benefit. Just try to build a house in my part of the country without them. Restaurants are very dependent, not to mention farm work.

[TxMusky]

I have been on both sides. Me and a partner had a General Construction business years ago in San Antonio and did use some subs that we knew where probably illegals. Still payed them the going rate no matter what. Soon we started getting under bid by the Mexican crews that were using the illegals as workers and could not afford to stay in business. We were doing things right, permits and insurance while the Mexican contractors could tell their illegal workers that they will work for this lower wage or they would report them. They worked them long hours for cheap pay and screwed their hours and checks every chance they got. There are the drawbacks that nobody thinks about. The Mexicans in power did not care what they were doing to their own kind, they just wanted more money.