Not so well it seems —
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/04/...-solar-panels/
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Not so well it seems —
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/04/...-solar-panels/
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I remain a skeptic regarding the ultimate viability of this concept. However, when I read an obviously biased "report" like this I send it right to the trash--where it belongs.
If this guy wants to poke fun---that's fine, but don't try to mask it with BS disguised as facts. Most obviously blatant, is the claim of power costs. Do a little more checking and you will find the average US cost of power is $0.12/kWh.
When I see something that obviously wrong the entire thing goes to hell.
Second rate trash.
Last edited by Dave Grubb; 05-03-2018 at 09:48 AM.
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Okay, using those figure if he lowered his rate and used the same KWH math, it still does not add up to anything near worth doing. I think my rate is somewhere around 11.5 cents and my normal monthly bill runs around 200-250 year round.
Spending 4.5 million dollars to generate less than 100 dollars of power is insane. It does though, sound like something the govt would do.
Not saying that I would never go to a supplemental solar system, but at this point in time it is not even close to being a reality for me. I have however really checked into geothermal for my heating and cooling and the next time my HVAC system goes down I will do it. I already have the inside unit ready as the only change they told me would be needed was to take out the freon coils and put the geo coil assembly in its place. Same housing and 2 stage blower motor and cabinet.
Since we have our own drilling rigs, and I have groundwater at about 20 foot, the cost would be low. I was told that for every ton of HVAC needed it would probably take 250 foot of line. I have a 5 ton unit so I would need about 1500 feet of buried line. They would "U" the line to the bottom of the hole so if the hole was 100 foot deep, it would count for 200 foot of run. All the drilling could be done in a half a day. I also have the option of using a ditch witch and making a trench 750 foot long. As I live on 24 acres that is also feasible.
Now that would be a cost that would make sense. One time cost for drilling/trenching and cost of plastic "fastline". Small pump outside where the condenser unit usually sits and that's it. One of our drillers used to be in the business of doing geothermal, so he has the knowledge of what works.
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So, the author used his personal California higher rate of $0.015 to arrive at the value the electricity produced @ $36.86 instead of $0.012, which would have yielded an even lower value, yet you find that a critical error?Originally Posted by Dave Grubb
Your criteria are hilarious sometimes, Dave.
Methinks you are grasping at straws to find errors in reports from your non-favored sources.
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Go back and read it again. He claimed his rate double that of other states.
If you are unable to see the "attitude" of the author enjoy yourself.
Your willingness to suck up kool-aid that happens to be your flavor is hilarious
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
"Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
“You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis
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Ok...going with your reasoning...if he had calculated the value of the electricity at your preferred rate of $0.12/kWh instead of at 3cents higher, which gave the benefit of the doubt to the solar road experimenters, btw, then the value at your rate would be $29.74 instead of $36.86 even at retail rates rather than the better wholesale rates. A picayunish difference, I would say. Does that make the investment of $4.5M seem better or worse?
In either case, it does prove the author’s point, don’t you concede, which is that this experiment failed beyond miserably unless it was to demonstrate that this type solar road is a non-starter. I would wager that the folks running the project made out like bandits though, which seems to be an alarmingly familiar outcome of government funded projects in renewable energy schemes.
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