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    Quote Originally Posted by Dork View Post
    So you want to track individual components of a cartridge from birth to death, serial number each bullet, every brass casing and then track it by number.....you buy a 50rd box of bullets each bullet is numbered, you buy 1k bullets to reload each one has to be individually counted and accounted for by number. Same for brass....and then when you drop a brass casing, shoot it and can't find it, loose a few, they get mixed into others at the indoor range and somebody grabs a handful....that those numbers must be stopped and checked...and if they put them in a pocket, strip search everybody at the range.....

    Have your bags search for loose bullets and brass and then have them ran in a national criminal data base.....going to restrict ammo sales then lise some states, only 2 boxes of ammo a month and if you buy more, ya go on a watch list???
    I remember a time in Texas when ammo sales were ID'ed and recorded at the point of sale...The practice was stopped a few decades ago when it was recognized as being useless in affecting crime...Not a single instance of crime was either stopped nor soved......Ben
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dork View Post
    So you want to track individual components of a cartridge from birth to death, serial number each bullet, every brass casing and then track it by number.....you buy a 50rd box of bullets each bullet is numbered, you buy 1k bullets to reload each one has to be individually counted and accounted for by number. Same for brass....and then when you drop a brass casing, shoot it and can't find it, loose a few, they get mixed into others at the indoor range and somebody grabs a handful....that those numbers must be stopped and checked...and if they put them in a pocket, strip search everybody at the range.....

    Have your bags search for loose bullets and brass and then have them ran in a national criminal data base.....going to restrict ammo sales then lise some states, only 2 boxes of ammo a month and if you buy more, ya go on a watch list???
    You have a fertile imagination, Dork, and more than a little paranoia. I merely said to mark bullets and casings sold, which eventually would provide solid clues and means of tracking when bullets are found in bodies. It is not fool proof and nothing in the suggestion clashes with the 2nd and certainly not with the 4th. The “right to carry” is not holy writ or an impediment to being caught when you commit crimes or malfeasance with guns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truckman View Post
    I remember a time in Texas when ammo sales were ID'ed and recorded at the point of sale...The practice was stopped a few decades ago when it was recognized as being useless in affecting crime...Not a single instance of crime was either stopped nor soved......Ben
    Correct me, but as I recall that rule merely required the seller to complete forms on the sale with the purchaser’s name & address, not a system to mark the ammunition for later ID and tracing when fired. No wonder it was not useful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wacojoe View Post
    Correct me, but as I recall that rule merely required the seller to complete forms on the sale with the purchaser’s name & address, not a system to mark the ammunition for later ID and tracing when fired. No wonder it was not useful.
    You are correct, sir, on both the procedure and its usefulness......Ben
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin View Post
    How about we compare the number of people involved in mass knifings vs the number of people involved in mass shootings? The problem is the ability of a gun to to kill a lot of people at one time.

    Comparing the problem to vehicles is kind of silly. We have done LOTS of things to improve safety on roads, in cars, public education, the whole ball of wax. We've done none of those things with guns. What safety measures are you suggesting be implemented on guns, Tx? Any?
    What safety measures are you going to give on Knives? Do you have to have a background check to own a knife, you have to pass a NICS test before buying a gun.

    As has been shown in London, if you take away guns people use knives. As has been shown in Chicago, NY and DC, if you really restrict guns people still get them and use them. As has been shown in different Countries around the world, if you take away anything they can still use a truck.

    It is not the weapon, it is the mentality of the person committing the crimes. Bottom line, murder or attempted murder is also a law, that law was not followed by the PERSON, committing the crimes. Which pretty much means taking away one thing does not change the end result the whacko is trying to attain.

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    As far as serial numbering ammo and casings, I have doubts about that.

    Reloads will have none of those markings.
    Stolen ammo would flourish.
    Billions of rounds have been saved and stored that have no markings on them at all.
    Military rounds have no markings as well as any ammo bought outside of the Country
    Shotgun pellets would be impossible to mark and those could be easily home made.

    Even if that law ever made the books, it would take decades to get all of the ammo not marked to get used up, and even then the brass could be reloaded.

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    It's just more liberal gun control crap, if you can't control the gun, control the ammo...as we see Kalif now doing and other states. limit the ammo you can buy, what kind and how to use it.

    Why does the 1st cover TV, E-mail and all other electronic means, yet the 2nd only cover what was black powder and limited in scope....but yet the 2nd mentions firearms by name.....

    The AR15 today is the musket of yesterday.....however, liberals want you restricted to a musket and hunting only......


    Quote Originally Posted by TxMusky View Post
    As far as serial numbering ammo and casings, I have doubts about that.

    Reloads will have none of those markings.
    Stolen ammo would flourish.
    Billions of rounds have been saved and stored that have no markings on them at all.
    Military rounds have no markings as well as any ammo bought outside of the Country
    Shotgun pellets would be impossible to mark and those could be easily home made.

    Even if that law ever made the books, it would take decades to get all of the ammo not marked to get used up, and even then the brass could be reloaded.

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    There are a lot of folks who hunt with the AR 15 platform. I have an 11 year old great niece that hunts with one in a 6.5 Grendel. Here is a video of a little girl hunting with one.
    http://tinyurl.com/y8u8bz5j

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    Lets even the playing field. Everyone that get s a DUI is given an AR 15. The comparisons are getting to be old hat.
    Last edited by Phillbo; 04-24-2018 at 08:35 PM.

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    What is your serious suggestion Bo? There is a problem with people killing other people, the other problem is the inability for rational people to define what the cause is. There are a certain set that are blaming just the gun. I think the facts posted above about guns being highly regulated and even outlawed really had little effect on the killing with other methods.

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