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We have modified the guns laws as well. It is illegal for most people to own a full auto weapon.
Yes London is going about it all wrong. Banning knives is exactly what many have said about banning guns, those intent on doing harm to someone with a weapon do not pay any attention to laws anyway.
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I agree with Dork it's people that use cars, knifes, acid, machetes, guns and like Kevin said, "What ever is close at hand" With cars it use to be just accidental but not any more. We don't allow everybody to drive but there are three million cars floating around. OK not the same thing, but restrict guns to people with a license not just anybody that is 18 or over. The shooting today was another clear case of a nut having guns, guns that were at one point confiscated. The dad gave him back the guns says the news, like he couldn't have just walked off with them either way. Banning guns I'm betting will be anarchy.
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Here is a partial list from your favorite news agency CNN........Originally Posted by Kevin
(CNN)Here is some background information on terror attacks involving vehicles used as deadly weapons by radicalized individuals or terror groups.
Facts:
Al Qaeda's Yemeni branch encouraged its Western recruits to use trucks as weapons. A 2010 webzine article, "The Ultimate Mowing Machine," called for deploying a pickup truck as a "mowing machine, not to mow grass but mow down the enemies of Allah."
In September 2014, ISIS spokesman Abu Mohammad al-Adnani called for lone wolf attacks using improvised weaponry, "If you are not able to find an IED or a bullet, then single out the disbelieving American, Frenchman or any of their allies. Smash his head with a rock or slaughter him with a knife or run him over with your car or throw him down from a high place or choke him or poison him."
Timeline:
March 3, 2006 - Mohammed Taheri-azar, an Iranian-American, drives an SUV into an area crowded with students at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. Nine people sustain minor injuries during the attack, which Teheri-azar later says is retribution for the killing of Muslims overseas. He is convicted of attempted murder in 2008 and is sentenced to 33 years in prison.
October 22, 2014 - A three-month old girl and an Ecuadorian tourist are killed when a driver swerves into a crowd at a light rail station in Jerusalem. The driver, Abdel Rahman al-Shaludi is shot and killed by police. Israeli media reported he published militant writing on Facebook and supported Hamas, a fundamentalist Islamic group that has conducted attacks in Gaza and the West Bank, but his family denied he supported Hamas or any terror organization.
July 14, 2016 - After a Bastille Day fireworks display in Nice, France, a man drives a 20-ton rental truck into the crowd, striking and killing 86 people. The attacker, Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhlel, 31, a Tunisian national, drives nearly a mile on the beachfront promenade before he is shot and killed by authorities. French officials say Bouhlel seemed to become radicalized "very quickly" by ISIS propaganda before the attack. He also suffered from mental illness, according to his father.
November 28, 2016 - At Ohio State University, 11 people are injured when a student, Abdul Razak Ali Artan, 18, carries out a car and knife attack. A campus police officer shoots and kills Artan, whom police believe was inspired by ISIS and the radical cleric, Anwar al-Awlaki.
December 19, 2016 - A Tunisian man drives a tractor trailer into a Christmas market in Berlin, killing 12 people. In the wake of the attack, authorities conduct a manhunt for Anis Amri, 24, throughout Europe. He is shot and killed by police in Milan, Italy, four days after the attack. Hours after Amri dies, ISIS releases a video of him pledging allegiance to the terrorist group.
March 22, 2017 - A man drives an SUV into a crowd on the sidewalk along the Westminster Bridge in London, killing at least four. After ramming the car into a barrier outside the House of Parliament, the driver exits the vehicle and stabs a police officer to death. The attacker is then gunned down by a police officer. The assailant, Khalid Masood, 52, of West Midlands, reportedly had a criminal record and may have had connections to violent extremism, British Prime Minister Theresa May says.
April 7, 2017 - At least four people are killed when a truck drives into pedestrians on a busy street in the center of Stockholm, Sweden, before crashing into a department store. The attacker, Rakhmat Akilov, a 39-year-old from Uzbekistan, admitted to carrying out a "terrorist crime," his lawyer says.
June 3, 2017 - Eight people are killed in two terror attacks in central London before police shoot three suspects dead, the Metropolitan police say. The violence begins when a van swerves into throngs of pedestrians on London Bridge. The suspects then jump out the van and proceed on foot to nearby Borough Market, a popular nightlife spot, where witnesses say they produce knives and slash indiscriminately at people in restaurants and bars. At least 48 people are taken to hospitals, according to the London Ambulance Service.
June 19, 2017 - Just after midnight, a van plows into a group of pedestrians who had attended late-night prayers at London's Finsbury Park Mosque, killing one man and injuring 11 people. The driver is arrested at the scene for attempted murder and further held on suspicion of terrorism offenses. The suspect is later identified as Darren Osborne, 47, a resident of Cardiff in Wales, according to multiple UK media outlets. Osborne is later sentenced to life imprisonment with a minimum term of 43 years.
August 16-18, 2017 - At least 13 people are killed and about 100 are injured on August 17th after a van plows through a crowd of people in a popular tourist district in Barcelona, Spain. Two suspects are arrested, but the driver gets away, according to police. ISIS' media wing, Amaq, issues a statement claiming responsibility, saying that the attackers are "soldiers of the Islamic State." On August 18th, in Cambrils, a coastal city around 100 kilometers from Barcelona, five attackers drive an Audi A3 into several pedestrians, killing one. The attackers are shot and killed by police. A house explosion on August 16th, in Alcanar, south of Barcelona, is also believed to be connected to the attacks.
September 30-October 1, 2017 - On September 30 in Edmonton, Canada, a man purposely strikes a police officer with a white Chevrolet Malibu before jumping out of the vehicle, stabbing the officer several times with a knife and fleeing on foot. There is an ISIS flag in the car, which is later seized as evidence. Just before midnight that same day, a police officer stops a U-Haul truck at a checkpoint and recognizes the driver's name as similar to that of the Chevrolet's registered owner. The U-Haul truck then speeds off towards downtown Edmonton. During the chase, the truck deliberately attempts to hit pedestrians in crosswalks and alleys, injuring at least four pedestrians. Abdulahi Hasan Sharif, 30, a Somali refugee, is later charged with five counts of attempted murder, dangerous driving, criminal flight causing bodily harm and possession of a weapon for a dangerous purpose.
October 31, 2017 - Eight people are killed and almost a dozen injured when a 29-year-old man in a rented pickup truck drives down a busy bicycle path near the World Trade Center in New York. The captured suspect has been identified as Sayfullo Habibullaevic Saipov. Authorities found a note near the truck used in the incident, claiming the attack was made in the name of ISIS, a senior law enforcement official said.
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Of course, none of that has anything to do with what we are talking about.
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36 people have been killed in London in the first quarter of the year by knife, with 62 injured, according to the London Sun. That equates to 144 people killed, 248 injured over the year if projected out.
Last year, the Gun Violence Archive shows that 14,000 people died in mass shootings last year in the US.
There is no comparison.
Nov 5, 1946 - Nov 19, 2018What is the point in comparing the stats. of a city to the stats. of a whole country? The point was, banning a particular object will not stop killings. I remember seeing one list that said that more murders were committed with the hands and feet than with guns.
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Where did you get those stats? We see lots of statistics on gun violence and use...the thread starter being one.
A chart showing alleged numbers of gun deaths from Gun Violence Archive (GVA) I found indicates among many other things mass shootings in the US in 2017 numbering 344, which taken with your figure of 14000 deaths as a results averages out to 41 deaths per mass shooting in the U.S. last year. That is ludicrous and erroneous on its face. The chart also shows a mere 2030 defensive uses of guns last year in the U.S., which is equally ludicrous.
I have reason to question your source even if I accept that guns are more often used in deaths than knives. It is my conclusion that the anti-gun crowd plays funny with its stats.
https://www.thetrace.org/rounds/gun-...increase-2017/
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Waco, how would those numbers change if cities where violence is a big problem, I'll use DC and Chicago as examples? Both have super strict gun laws.
As the knife killings in London and the rental trucks being used now, point to the person doing the killing. They are the problem, not the gun, knife or vehicle. Speaking of vehicles, they kill many more people every year than guns or knives do. But then again, nobody could get a ban cars bill passed.
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OK, lets look at the city level
Number of killings by knife, projected for London in 2018 - 144
Number of killings by gun, Chicago, 2017 - 650
So four times as many in one city.
There really is no comparison.
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How about we compare the number of people involved in mass knifings vs the number of people involved in mass shootings? The problem is the ability of a gun to to kill a lot of people at one time.
Comparing the problem to vehicles is kind of silly. We have done LOTS of things to improve safety on roads, in cars, public education, the whole ball of wax. We've done none of those things with guns. What safety measures are you suggesting be implemented on guns, Tx? Any?
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Wow, have done nothing to improve gun safety and keeping it out of the hands of less than desirable.....
How blind are you, or are you just ignoring what you don't want to see.....
Nothing you can buy is more regulated from birth to sales, hell I can't even drive 50 miles into a different state to buy a handgun, yet I can drive 8 hours and stay in state and buy a handgun.....
Ever hear of the GCA 1968, I could buy a gun and have it shipped to my house...not any more, background checks, paperwork, 4473, different states you can't even guy some guns....you have more gun control laws on the books than believeable and nobody can follow them all without books and guides the states are so different.....and then inside the state local ordinances and such....
Hell, S&W put a key safety on its revolvers...I can lock my new pistol up with a key so it won't fire....yet were doing nothing.....
Shakes head and walks out for a beer.......
Anti gun people don't want to improve safty they want to demonize the gun and get rid of it...
Nov 5, 1946 - Nov 19, 2018How is more gun control and restrictions going to save any lives in Chicago?
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In actuality it probably wouldn't, guns are already super restricted correct? Is that where your going with this?
By the way I agree, I'd bet money it wouldn't do a thing to change the streets. It's the people not the guns, it is always the people. In every shooting ever a person is pulling a trigger. Shooting back is the only cure.
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I would like to see laws requiring identifying markers on bullets and shell casings making them easy to trace to point of origin and purchase. I understand those have been invented and are waiting to be implemented.
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So you want to track individual components of a cartridge from birth to death, serial number each bullet, every brass casing and then track it by number.....you buy a 50rd box of bullets each bullet is numbered, you buy 1k bullets to reload each one has to be individually counted and accounted for by number. Same for brass....and then when you drop a brass casing, shoot it and can't find it, loose a few, they get mixed into others at the indoor range and somebody grabs a handful....that those numbers must be stopped and checked...and if they put them in a pocket, strip search everybody at the range.....
Have your bags search for loose bullets and brass and then have them ran in a national criminal data base.....going to restrict ammo sales then lise some states, only 2 boxes of ammo a month and if you buy more, ya go on a watch list???
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