DNC suing Trump

[TxMusky]

The DNC is suing Trump, Russia and a host of others over her losing the election. Actually she is saying that Trump was out to beat her in the election duhhhhh, you just can not make this stupid crap up folks, suddenly somebody at the DNC figured out that Trump was running against her and did not want her to win?

Is the DNC really this dumb, and this is what liberal America thinks is intelligent?

Give ma a huge break.

[wacojoe]

The first thing that crossed my trial-attorney mind was that this is a golden opportunity for Trump and any of the other defendants to immediately demand in discovery access to the DNC’s invaded computer hard drives that have been assiduously denied to investigative agencies until now. Bingo! If they have destroyed or corrupted the data then the evidentiary rule assumes that the evidence will be construed against the party distroying or corrupting it — the D’rats — and the jury would be so instructed.

I also want to see what proof they have that Russian agencies stole their communications and how. I recall an article in which highly cerified IT security experts examined the sequence of exposed internal DNC emails and concluded that the theft could not have been accomplished remotely because landlines could not transmit that amount of data in that time frame and therefore it must have been downloaded on-site. The only proof offered that Russians did the deed has been “Well, everybody knows they did it.” That is not good enough in court. It is the burden of proof of the plaintiffs/complainants to move the case forward by first establishing the connect of which they complain. That the Russians were the thieves is but the first threshold the DNC must cross.

This will be fun. Wish I were one of the defense lawyers even though a case filed in a D.C. court is sure to have a really, really scummy jury pool for Trump defendants.

[TxMusky]

Funny how none of those clowns have thought of what you just pointed out. There are a pathetic bunch.

Not to mention that Debbie Wassereman Schultz had an IT guy from Pakistan or somewhere like that working all of their computers. To think the Russians did it is almost laughable.

[wacojoe]

Trump was reading my mail. Here is his first tweet on the DNC suit —

“Just heard the Campaign was sued by the Obstructionist Democrats. This can be good news in that we will now counter for the DNC Server that they refused to give to the FBI, the Debbie Wasserman Schultz Servers and Documents held by the Pakistani mystery man and Clinton Emails.”

[Billy_Rightwing]

Trump won? Some don't know Hillary lost and even she don't know.

[Honda]

In case is not abundantly clear it surely should be the resistance to Trump's presidency is never ending and is determined to see to it that he is removed from the presidency. This goes from every fiber of the Democratic Party. Look no further than the historic refusal of the Democrats to confirm the President's Choice for Secretary of State. Just so you know it's never happened but might soon. Now the Democrats will scream Paul Rand could have voted for him but that doesn't excuse the Democrats who would not vote for him. I don't know why this is difficult I just think I understand it very clearly the same reason I understand why many who posted here are no longer posting here. They are so full of hatred for this president that they can't function in reality. I've never seen anything like it in my life I've endured presidents who I strongly disagree with multiple times during my lifetime but I have never seen the hate and the desire to remove a president that runs beyond the bounds of decency law and civility.

[TxMusky]

The Dems are ruled by a bunch of imbeciles, haters and generally left wing radicals. That should awaken many Americas who were or thinking about voting Dem, they do not care what the voters think. They are about their own personal message and their own plans for their future. They think that all Dem voters are the foaming at the mouth, protest marching, mad as hell haters, that the news keeps pushing. Regular middle class, main street Americans really do not care for the lefts policies and their constant rants. That should have been apparent by the election of Trump.

The Dem party has been hijacked, it is actually closer to not being a party at all as they back issues that go against America and Americans. When the thoughts and feelings of everybody else is more important than the American people that were born here and are working hard to keep their Country going, mean nothing to the Dems because they would rather look to people from other places to vote for them, something is deadly wrong.

The left wing lunatics, aided by the liberal media has soured many good people, those who were Dems, yet were not the far left Dems. The party has left those people behind in favor of illegals and radicals, the very heart and soul of the party. Yes ranting and raving radicals makes for good video on the news, but for those who are normal everyday people who remember a totally different Dem party of JFK and others, this is no longer their party. They will look elsewhere for a candidate to support, one who they may not care for personally, but one who supports their jobs, their rights and their fellow normal citizens. That is who they will fall in line with, simply because there is no alternative.

[Kevin]

OK, I see that last post as a rant, Tx. It isn't about the topic of the lawsuit, it is about how stupid and hateful Democrats are. I suggest taking that to Political Purgatory.

On the subject of the lawsuit, I don't think anyone missed the point that under the rules of discovery, the DNC server could be investigated. That's first year law school stuff and one would have to think that the lawyers bringing the suit were totally incompetent to believe that did not occur to them.

What is more likely, I think, is that

1) There actually isn't any coverup with respect to the server and that the focus on it by Republicans is just a chimera or

2) They believe they can keep Republican's hands off it during discovery or

3) They've had enough time to burn the evidence

In any case, they are not stupid.

With respect to waco's article about IT download times, that is speculation dressed up as proof. So is the idea that it must have been a Pakistani IT guy. I'll wait to see something a bit more concrete before coming to any conclusions.

[wacojoe]

My injection of evidence the DNC breach was an inside job rather than a “hack” was based on an article in The Nation, a notorious Lefty publication, and, as I read it, based itself on math rather than speculation. The speculation part of this political play came from the Clapper, Brennan, Comey triumvirate who offered up the Russia ghost with zero evidence to back it up. “Trust us” they say.

https://www.thenation.com/article/a-...ears-dnc-hack/, and

https://consortiumnews.com/2017/07/2...hack-evidence/

...Forensicator’s first decisive findings, made public in the paper dated July 9, concerned the volume of the supposedly hacked material and what is called the transfer rate—the time a remote hack would require. The metadata established several facts in this regard with granular precision: On the evening of July 5, 2016, 1,976 megabytes of data were downloaded from the DNC’s server. The operation took 87 seconds. This yields a transfer rate of 22.7 megabytes per second.

These statistics are matters of record and essential to disproving the hack theory. No Internet service provider, such as a hacker would have had to use in mid-2016, was capable of downloading data at this speed. Compounding this contradiction, Guccifer claimed to have run his hack from Romania, which, for numerous reasons technically called delivery overheads, would slow down the speed of a hack even further from maximum achievable speeds.

What is the maximum achievable speed? Forensicator recently ran a test download of a comparable data volume (and using a server speed not available in 2016) 40 miles from his computer via a server 20 miles away and came up with a speed of 11.8 megabytes per second—half what the DNC operation would need were it a hack.

... “A speed of 22.7 megabytes is simply unobtainable, especially if we are talking about a transoceanic data transfer,” Folden said. “Based on the data we now have, what we’ve been calling a hack is impossible.”

...By any balanced reckoning, the official case purporting to assign a systematic hacking effort to Russia, the events of mid-June and July 5 last year being the foundation of this case, is shabby to the point taxpayers should ask for their money back. The Intelligence Community Assessment, the supposedly definitive report featuring the “high confidence” dodge, was greeted as farcically flimsy when issued January 6. Ray McGovern calls it a disgrace to the intelligence profession. It is spotlessly free of evidence, front to back, pertaining to any events in which Russia is implicated. James Clapper, the former director of national intelligence, admitted in May that “hand-picked” analysts from three agencies (not the 17 previously reported) drafted the ICA. There is a way to understand “hand-picked” that is less obvious than meets the eye: The report was sequestered from rigorous agency-wide reviews. This is the way these people have spoken to us for the past year...

There is no proof that Russians at all were behind the DNC exposure of damaging truth and that little assertion is THE predicate for this lawsuit. It is the burden of the DNC to first prove it was Russians who first captured their data and then exposed it, then that the other defenfants somehow facilitated and/or joined in that breach. Good luck with that.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/w...rticle/2631267

[Kevin]

Using math to arrive at a conclusion, based on nothing more than one's own experience in other matters, is pure speculation.

speculation: the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence.

I'd say without direct access, no firm evidence was to be had.

[wacojoe]

How do you remotely hack a body of data in a time less than transmission technology physically allows, the conclusion being that it cannot be done, thus the breach of data came from within as a download and was a leak rather than a hack.
Math is a harsh mistress.
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I amended my post (I have a bad habit of that), which you probably missed, Kevin.

[Kevin]

OK, I see that now.

So it was stolen rather than hacked? Sounds reasonable. I want to know a lot more before concluding who and why.

[wacojoe]

It is the DNC’s burden to prove at the outset. Their entire case is predicated upon it.

[Kevin]

I think you are missing the point of the lawsuit.

It isn't about winning. It is about politics. This is revving up the base for the midterms. I don't think anyone really cares about the outcome. And Trump was right to deride it. It is silly.

[wacojoe]

Sorry, can’t help thinking like a lawyer. It’s a pathology hard to shake.