Still Think Illegals Don't Vote......

[Dork]

California has its first illegal alien in state office, after Senate President pro Tem Kevin de León (D-Los Angeles) appointed Lizbeth Mateo to the California Student Opportunity and Access Program Project Grant Advisory Committee.

Mateo, an attorney, was born in Mexico and came to the U.S. illegally at the age of 14 with her parents, who are also illegal aliens, according to the Sacramento Bee.

In #lawschool I often wondered if I was fit to b in #lawjournal, #mootcourt bc not many ppl w/ my same background did. I always went for it bc even if I felt inadequate I thought I could add something of value. I hope to do the same w/ @StudentAidCommission. #undocumentedunafraid https://t.co/JpZOOhJfMU

— Lizbeth Mateo, Esq. (@LizbethMateo) March 15, 2018

Thank you Sen. @kdeleon for appointing me to the CalSOAP Advisory Committee. I look forward to working w/ the rest of the committee & the Student Aid Commission in such important task – increase the accessibility of postsecondary education opportunities for low-income students.

— Lizbeth Mateo, Esq. (@LizbethMateo) March 15, 2018

She complained that illegal aliens are not adequately represented in state government, and described her appointment as a step towards correcting that alleged injustice.

“While undocumented students have become more visible in our state, they remain underrepresented in places where decisions that affect them are being made,” Mateo said, as quoted by Fox News.

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De León, who is running for U.S. Senate against incumbent Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), described Mateo as: “a courageous, determined and intelligent young woman who at great personal risk has dedicated herself to fight for those seeking their rightful place in this country,” according to Fox News.

Mateo, however, seems somewhat confused about which country she prefers.

In a Facebook post in 2016, apparently celebrating her graduation from Santa Clara University School of Law, Mateo declared, in Spanish: “[E]verything is dedicated to Oaxaca, Mexico!! to that land that I miss so much.”

[mgrist]

Sounds like a good a place as any to send our tax dollars.

[Fulltimer]

It is kinda difficult to argue on both sides of this question.

I am probably one of the few that could but instead, I will present the two sides.

One of State's Rights and the other of Federal power.

https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/...-gets-to-vote/

Which side of that Constitutional issue do you support?

One of the gestures toward states’ rights that the Founders made in writing the Constitution was to give the states a primary role in deciding who gets to vote – not only in state and local elections, but also in federal elections. But, to protect national interests of the new government they were setting up, the Founders also gave Congress a veto power in this area. It has never been quite clear how the two provisions were supposed to work together, instead of in conflict, and that is at the heart of a new controversy over who controls the right to vote.

At the time many on the right are arguing the federal voting rights act interferes with the State's Rights about who they can exclude from voting they are also arguing for more Federal interference in restricting who the states allow to vote.

It is a quandary to be decided in the courts but I don't see how Lizbeth Mateo is proof of anything in this debate as she was appointed to a state advisory committee and was not elected and as far as I have seen did not vote.

Perhaps a bit more information on how her appointment proves one way or another that illegals are voting would be in order.

[wacojoe]

Citizenship is a threshold requirement for voting to determine the laws to govern citizens, I would posit as an axiom. Without laws governing who is and who is not a citizen entitled to the protections and duties of the state, there is no state, only a territory inhabited by whomever happens to be there.

[FredK]

Dork am I failing to see where this person voted?

[TxMusky]

The problem is Mexico as a whole still thinks that much of the western US is theirs. Funny how the liberals think you should not have to show ID to vote, yet get pissed and make all sorts of claims about Russians influencing an election.

Like Waco just said, citizenship needs to be established so that citizens are voting for the things that citizens want to make their lives better.

If the person in the article is so worried about their "home country", GTFO, go home, you can make a difference in the place you so dearly love. Do not come over here and make my home as miserable a chithole as the place you left or were taken from.

That is what I do not understand about all of these immigrants, you came here to escape something, or because our Country had something much better to offer. There is a reason why our Country is better, it is because of the laws and customs we have. If you like your laws and customs better go back and change them to make them like ours in your own Country, do not try and make ours a corrupt wasteland like you left. Trying to tell me my country sucks while you are living here will get your ass chewed out or a kick in the ass. Don't like it here, go home.

[Billy_Rightwing]

Mexico has CA, but were already a lost cause so lets put it aside and let the rest of the county do the voting for our leaders.

[Kevin]

I grew up with my own immigrants, from what is now part of Ukraine, then a part of Austria/Hungary. They died when I was in my late 20s so I knew them well.

They NEVER thought that what they left behind was great. My baba's story was one of grinding poverty, backbreaking work, roles that strictly defined every aspect of her life. She walked from the Carpathian Mountains across Poland, took ship in Germany and came to America where she couldn't even speak the language and was grateful for the opportunity. She ended her life an American citizen (she had learned to read and write English enough to pass the test in the 40s through a community program designed to help immigrants like her), owned a house, had her own garden where she produced the best tomatoes in town, and right up until she died, never stopped working.

In the 1970s, she went back to her village in what was then the Soviet Union to see everyone. She enjoyed it but when I asked her to sum things up, she said "Good to see family. Good to go back and see village. Glad I left. Better here."

The lady in the article has a romanticized view of what it was like in her hometown. She's forgotten why she left. She ought to go back sometime to be reminded, like my baba. Better here.

[TxMusky]

Sadly Kev, the Mexican and Muslim immigrants do not feel like that, they are here for another purpose, to make us like their homeland.

Your family's journey is what the dream is supposed to be like, come here and enjoy our freedoms and share their culture with us. Introduce us to foods, rituals traditions, etc, to ADD to the American experience. The new wave of immigrants want to change our ways, take away what made our Country special, take away our American cultures and call others racist or hurtful.

[Independent Voter]

We are a nation of immigrants and should continue to be so. There is however that insey tinesy little problem with one word. " Illegal ". Why people do not understand that entering this country without going through the required process is illegal and should therefore make those persons subject to immediate deportation as soon as they are picked up, is beyond me. That anyone of them should be placed in any position in any government is without a doubt a miscarriage of justice.

[Fulltimer]

We are a nation of immigrants and should continue to be so. There is however that insey tinesy little problem with one word. " Illegal ". Why people do not understand that entering this country without going through the required process is illegal and should therefore make those persons subject to immediate deportation as soon as they are picked up, is beyond me. That anyone of them should be placed in any position in any government is without a doubt a miscarriage of justice.

To immediately deport them would be an illegal act.

They are here and have been for decades and have become an integral part of our economy. The fear that they will "take away our ways" and change our culture is the same emotional appeal that was being spread against every group of immigrants throughout our history.

[TxMusky]

Yes we are all immigrants, all came from different backgrounds, cultures and races. All combined together to make one basic nation with a combination of all, not singling out one as being the defining the one custom from their homeland we all should bow down to. Not one better than the other but equal, all following the same equal laws and rules. For some reason the illegal Mexicans think they are above what has been established for decades, they should also have to follow the laws and customs that the rest of us had to go through at some point.

[Fulltimer]

The nativist movements have always grown up and then withered in America.

In 1865 Abraham Lincoln wrote:

“As a nation, we began by declaring that ‘all men are created equal.’ We now practically read it ‘all men are created equal, except negroes.’ When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read ‘all men are created equal, except negroes and foreigners and Catholics.’ When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty—to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”

https://www.nps.gov/liho/learn/histo...thingparty.htm

[Honda]

Does anybody remember people talking about all their kinfolks having to be processed in Ellis Island. Does anybody remember they used to have paperwork and some of them had to change their names because they couldn't be pronounce. I mean does anybody realize there was processing. Give me a break these border running criminals coming into our country is a problem I don't understand why folks can understand that

[Fulltimer]

Does anybody remember people talking about all their kinfolks having to be processed in Ellis Island. Does anybody remember they used to have paperwork and some of them had to change their names because they couldn't be pronounce. I mean does anybody realize there was processing. Give me a break these border running criminals coming into our country is a problem I don't understand why folks can understand that

The vast majority of Mexican undocumented are not "border running criminals" but folks who did not renew their visas many years ago. Large numbers are like Lizbeth Mateo who was brought to the US as a child and has gone to school and on to college and then to Law School. All she remembers about Mexico are those hazy memories as a child.

Right now the majority of undocumented immigrants are not even from Mexico but from other countries who have also overstayed their visas.

Mexican immigrants never came in through Ellis Island.

The Bracero Program was created in 1942 to encourage Mexican immigration and all they needed was a slip of paper telling the type of job they were skilled to do and were welcomed into the workforce.