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Thread: Taking bets on collusion and obstruction

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    Well that would explain why the Clinton email case went nowhere. It seems with Comey and McCabe being dismissed and the links recently uncovered linking Strzok and Page to her questioning and the judge on the FISA court, the lines were drawn long ago. He is not going to fire Mueller anyway, that is just a bunch of baloney to get the Dems some attention and keep the fake Russia story in the news. Mueller has to talk to Rosenstein before he does anything drastic and we know who he is linked to and Sessions stupidly recused himself.

    With all of that circus going on, who needs the Russians to do anything else, we already have a "Keystone Cops" movie going on without even trying to make it a "foreign film". Truly sad that our highest law enforcement agency is in such disarray. When will we ever be able to finish the cleanup on aisle FBI, that Obama and his bunch of coconuts got us into?

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    There haven't been any links uncovered between Strzok and the judge that indicated any inappropriate behavior. Nor has there been any indication that the judge's recusal was anything but voluntary or for anything inappropriate.

    Poke here

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    It's not over yet. That is why they wanted to have a "dinner" or a get together so face to face would leave no loose ends? Strzok still has enough on his plate without the extra burden of the judge. He has his skeletons with the Clinton email probe, the changed wording for Comey to use and the Flynn interview as well. Seems like he was the "man with the plan" as he is connected to almost everything we are cussing and discussing about this election cycle and Trump's "collusion" stories. He is the main connection to multiple questions, so for now we will leave him as a solid, oh crap. Actually I see more collusion and meddling with this guy, than I can see with the entire Russian investigation.

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    "They" meaning Strzok and Page wanted a dinner meeting. These two never actually contacted the judge about it, as far as I know. I'll admit I really can't keep up with it all. More twists and turns than John Le Carre novel.

    There's a lot more to know about Strzok, that's fer shure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin View Post
    I'm putting up hard coin to back up my prediction - Mueller won't find anything directly on Trump colluding with the Russians with respect to the election.

    Oh, he'll find dirt. No one as rich as Trump is clean and his nature is to push the envelope, so Mueller will find financial dirt but nothing directly connecting Trump's campaign to Russia.

    Why?

    Because here in my part of the world, Trump has been almost daily fodder for decades. He delegates stuff out. He never gets involved himself in the down and dirty so other people might go to jail but not him. His management style pretty much ensures that he stays one level removed from anything. It is the NY way. NY is mobbed up big time and that's how the bosses stay clean, by keeping everything one level removed from them.

    But I'll go even further. I don't think that, even apart from Trump, there is anything actually connecting the Trump campaign to Russia.

    Why?

    Because this group has been stepping on their junk from day one. They were totally inexperienced, completely unprepared for campaigning and then governing. This is the gang that can't shoot straight. They couldn't get a good conspiracy going if they tried and if they did, based on the leaks I've seen, they wouldn't have been able to keep their mouths shut about it if it had happened.

    So with respect to collusion with Russia with respect to the campaign, I bet Mueller comes up a dry hole. Folks will then have to deal with the fact that he's the President, fair and square, and get on with their lives.

    On obstruction:

    Dry hole. Sessions will be found to have kept Trump from making Presidency-ending mistakes. Lots of thunder will roll but no heads. Trump will have been saved from himself by people he will never thank or even understand what they did for him, which makes him an ingrate in addition to his other personality flaws but not a criminal.

    On finances:

    No bet. Too opaque for me to even hazard a guess about that or how it relates to Trump's policies towards Russia.

    I'm on the record. Who else wants to be?
    For the most part, I think you are correct. However, there is a wildcard that could possibly change the dynamics. Trump made significant trips to Russia. Until the resent revelations regarding Ms "do me" I had thought Trump would not go that low---imagine me giving him too much credit

    In any event, a western business man traveling in Russia cannot avoid being "offered" a selection of local "attractions" within minutes of checking into a hotel. In fact, the "attractions" will be brought to the door of your room by one of their business agents--who is almost always a hotel employee--with a side job.

    I had given Trump credit for having enough sense to say no----until recently. The chances of someone having videos----what do you think?
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    Videos are probably not in existence. Let's take a common sense look at the ordeal. He ran against some of the most lowlife of people, his own party was against him, and that is before we even think about mention the corrupt Clinton machine and the notorious liberal media. If there was even a screenshot of something out there it would have been plastered all over the front of a major newspaper and every broadcast network in existence. I'll use the video that NBC released with Billy Bush as exhibit A, if there were anything worse than that out there it would have been used by now.

    Hilliary lost, the immediate reaction and every reaction since then would have "outed" any video or audio evidence if there were any. The Clintons made trips to Russia, Russian business gave their foundation 100 million dollars, Bill got 500K for a single speech and yet the lemmings fail to connect those dots. If that does not raise any eyebrows, and that is out in the light of day, then Trump must have done nothing or very little while he was there.

    Putin and the Russians do not need to do anything more to make America look stupid, American media and Dem politicians are already doing that for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fulltimer View Post
    I always thought all prosecutors had unlimited power to prosecute any crimes they uncovered.

    We shouldn't need a "Special Prosecutor" except in cases where it is feared political influence will subjugate the rule of law.


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    Special Prosecutors, and now Special Counselors, are granted only the powers and entreaties assigned them by the Attorney General. Only a very limited few, Mueller being one, have been granted such general authority to go anywhere they desire. At that point they become a wildcard in the game having trump power, as it were (no pun intended). Theoretically, Mueller could comb 600 Page Trump IRS returns for the last 30 years. Think he could find a violation somewhere in that?
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