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    Quote Originally Posted by TxMusky View Post
    Actually I have no way, nor any interest into delving into that particular story. My initial comment I still stand by, I think that anything the NYT publishes about Trump will be negative, period. That article was negative, as have just about every other thing they have put out about him. Is that considered blowing smoke in your book? In case you missed it I will say it again, anything the NYT publishes is going to be negative about Trump. That is my opinion, you do not have to like it and until they change the things they put out against him, that opinion will remain the same. Like it or not.
    How many positive stories did Fox News or Alex Jones have about President Obama during his 8 years in office?

    I am not afraid to read articles from any source and do read Fox, NYTimes, WaPo, and even Infowars in order to compare and attempt to winnow out the truth in any story.

    I usually start with a news aggregator such as GoogleNews or Drudge to see the many different viewpoints before I decide to take a position on any event.

    When you decide that every source that might report something that you might not agree with is "fake" then you get stuck in an echo chamber where your viewpoint is never challenged.

    I guess that is why you were wanting me to be banned from the "meeting" as you put it. I enjoy challenging and being challenged to defend my world view.

    I would be very bored and very uninformed if I only read publications or participated in discussions that agreed with me. I suppose it comes down to whether a person is confident in his or her ability to listen to others and from time to time being comfortable to actually change their views based on presented facts or others opinions. That is really what discussions are about. Read and listen to try to understand another's viewpoint. Sometimes it works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenis View Post
    How many positive stories did Fox News or Alex Jones have about President Obama during his 8 years in office?
    How many confidence inspiring, uplifting events to warrant positive stories was President Obama responsible for during his eight years in office, Don?......Ben
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truckman View Post
    How many confidence inspiring, uplifting events to warrant positive stories was President Obama responsible for during his eight years in office, Don?......Ben

    Here is a powerful moment in Obama's service:

    http://www.history.com/the-obama-years/newtown.html


    I think there was a lot but I read all other sources as well as FOX.

    I never saw Obama trying to do unconstitutional actions. He even broke with what had become an acceptable practice and asked Congress for a declaration of war, as the Constitution specified, before he would send troops into Syria. He got accused of being weak for following the Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenis View Post
    I never saw Obama trying to do unconstitutional actions.
    So the most confidence-inspiring, uplifting event you can recall during President Obama's tenure is that you never caught him violating the Constitution?...That's telling......Ben
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truckman View Post
    So the most confidence-inspiring, uplifting event you can recall during President Obama's tenure is that you never caught him violating the Constitution?...That's telling......Ben
    I don't think anyone else caught any violations..

    It is early in the Trump Administration to start to really compare his with President Obama's 8 years but I think Obama's was a great example of family values and compassion that served an example of how American's should be behaving.

    Comparing the first year of President Trump we have multiple marriages, affairs, paying off hookers, bankruptcies, and many many lies. More than one third of his staffers have left in the first year either being fired, or having to resign in disgrace.

    The problem with TxMusky's anger about the negative news about President Trump is there are so many negative things he has done and the news if they are doing their job must report on them.

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    The reason we have very little of Obamas past is he sealed his records. His preacher of 20 years was a raving lunatic. He did not take his job in the Senate very seriously, by voting present on many important votes. He screwed up the entire nations healthcare structure and left us 20 trillion in debt.

    I would have much rather him be screwing a mistress than the entire United States of America like he did. Just about all he did used the Constitution as toilet paper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenis View Post
    ...I never saw Obama trying to do unconstitutional actions...
    He said his experience as a former Constitutional law instructor taught him he, as president, did not have the Constitutional power to excuse illegal immigrants in contravention of established law. He even said it in over 20 recordings, yet he did it anyway announcing DACA waivers.
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    With all of the lemmings fawning over his every breath, you could not convince them he actually sits on a toilet if your life depended on it.

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    Actually in our government the only branch that can trample on the Constitution is the judicial branch. The other branches can only attempt to do so. Just so you know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TxMusky View Post
    Very few are not biased at all. Even the Fox network has it's anti Trump folks like Shep Smith and John Roberts, but the main point is how much of the total reporting is negative? With the case of just about all of the MSM, including the NYT, the percentage of negative reporting is 90% or over. So out of everything the man or his party does nothing has impressed the left wing media, not a single thing?

    Let me ask a question since Russia has been the main thing tied to Trump and anything he does. We know that not a single vote was changed in any machine due to the "interference" and the main thing they did was cause chaos and create divisiveness, was it what they did or just the people that did it?
    thats hilarious, almost tone deaf in your ability to understand that anything you agree with as equally biased. https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ho...art-2018-02-28

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    ^^^
    Any chart that has Reuters, Ap, Bloomberg, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, WaPo, Time, The Economist, BBC, NYT, & The F’ing Guardian for God’s sake in the “neutral category” is absurd on its face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wacojoe View Post
    ^^^
    Any chart that has Reuters, Ap, Bloomberg, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, WaPo, Time, The Economist, BBC, NYT, & The F’ing Guardian for God’s sake in the “neutral category” is absurd on its face.
    You are just upset since they didn't include many of your daily reads
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    That is such an informative chart I thought it worth the time to include directly in this thread.
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    "A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
    "Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Grubb View Post
    That is such an informative chart I thought it worth the time to include directly in this thread.
    Looks about right Dave.

    The problem is a lot of folks on the extreme right consider Fox as the middle of the road and Infowars and Breitbart as slightly more conservative but all still the only honest purveyors of the news.

    The echo chamber they are in is really difficult to penetrate with discussions and the presentation of facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenis View Post
    Looks about right Dave.

    The problem is a lot of folks on the extreme right consider Fox as the middle of the road and Infowars and Breitbart as slightly more conservative but all still the only honest purveyors of the news.

    The echo chamber they are in is really difficult to penetrate with discussions and the presentation of facts.
    If Infowars is the one with Jones it belongs in the same boat that Beck is in. Both are trash.

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