why the eff are we so determined to poke this rattlesnake?
Because if this rattlesnake does not use the dvil's tools on us himself he will sell them to someone who will.
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“You can vote your way into socialism, but you have to shoot your way out.” — Too fundamental to have an attribution
How are we poking the rattlesnake? He is the one who keeps saying that he is going to attack America.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
"Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
“You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis
I don't know. On one hand there is the virtually passive approach several administrations have taken content to wring hands and voice occasional tsk-tsks over gradual efforts of a hideous regime of criminal thugs to obtain nuclear weapons. This went so far as Clinton even subsidizing them in their efforts! Anyone can see how effective that has been. This can has been kicked down the road as far as it can go. It is at a cliff.
Then, there is the approach to actively confront the growing threat, which threat now appears to have reached its culmination in a nearly mature delivery capability of thermonuclear weaponry. There is the theory that Trump is acting a part first broken ground by Reagan playing the slightly twisted and uncontrolled/unstable element to coerce China & Russia into joining the opposition to NORK out of fear of what he might do otherwise, which would directly impact them. That seems to be drawing some limited results at this point. Maybe Trump is not as crazy as he seems, but we know Kim is as evil as he seems.
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“You can vote your way into socialism, but you have to shoot your way out.” — Too fundamental to have an attribution
Joining in a name calling game at this level is simply self demeaning and defeating.
There is strategic and tactical value in taking the high road.
There are many ways to send the message and twitter is not one of them.
I can assure you that a private note in an envelope hand delivered by an envoy--saying to the effect: knock it off or we will slowing disconnect your balls---or something to that effect would have a far deeper impact.
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"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
"Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
“You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis
Saber rattling and name calling isn't going to solve the problem. We have to get SK and Japan on board with anything we do since as most people realize they are in the cross hairs.
Fred
"Everyday I beat my own previous record for number of consecutive days I've
stayed alive."
'Take care of yourself, and each other.'
Had we developed effective anti-missile defense systems years ago as Republicans begged to do only to be frustrated by Democrats, then this dilemma would have been thwarted or stopped before it began. Place the blame where it belongs and consider that when asked to vote them in again.
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“You can vote your way into socialism, but you have to shoot your way out.” — Too fundamental to have an attribution
That is a bit disingenuous sir. You might want to refresh your memory.
This is far more involved than simple partisan politics. I suggest your assessment of our current capability might need to be revised as well.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
"Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
“You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis
Well somebody has to bring it to a close. I am sure that seeing Otto Warmbier come home after being tortured in a NK prison for nothing but touching a propaganda poster was hard to stomach. I watched his parents describe how they first saw him after his release and it was heartbreaking to hear their story. Something has to be done about this guy and even his big brother CHina has had enough.
Fred, you should really pay attention before you run your mouth. I guess two 15-0 votes for stricter sanctions on the security council escaped your reading glasses.We have to get SK and Japan on board with anything we do since as most people realize they are in the cross hairs.
James as usual your running and foaming at the mouth. You want to go to Korea and punch the guy in the nose for what he did to Otto go right ahead. Just don't ask the Military to go there first. As usual those that never served are the first to throw up American this or that.
You need a group that is willing to go to war and the 15-0 voters aren't it. Get a clue that sanctions don't work, too many hands out for smuggling in things for money. That from those same 15-0 voter you so wisely quoted.
Fred
"Everyday I beat my own previous record for number of consecutive days I've
stayed alive."
'Take care of yourself, and each other.'
Just for the record James----if we spill one drop of American blood for your boy Otto------we are f****** nuts!
Any American who would go to NK does so at their own risk----to then do something ultimately stupid is all on them. Sorry for poor Otto's parents but having Otto out of the gene pool isn't a bad thing.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
"Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
“You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis
Okay Fred, I'll bite. What is your solution to rectifying this issue?
For starters, the little slant eyed guy is the only one talking about going to war. He has said that he will shoot down any plane he feels like shooting down. Nobody has attacked him with any kind of weapon, nor has his territory been invaded to this day. Why is Trump and America being blamed for starting a war?
For the council to get Russia and China on board to get a 15-0 vote is somewhat of a miracle, let alone to have done it twice. Trump is trying to cut off his money stream to get his attention without firing a shot or endangering a single life.
Third, the guy keeps firing weapons of war and they are going outside of his borders, going over another sovereign nation, Japan. What happens when this madman and his Mickey Mouse weapons, which are famous for being trouble prone, goes haywire and lands on a city in Japan? Does that constitute something that would lead you to believe that this guy is not capable of rational thought?
You are blustering about something that is not happening on our part. I fail to see where my laying out facts for you to look at and digest to understand why I came to my conclusion and stance, comes anywhere close to "foaming at the mouth". You said we have to get SK and Japan on board and I pointed out that many on onboard with what we are doing and you veer off into another lane.
And I am in agreement with you 110%. I was simply pointing out a fact. The same goes for anybody hiking the mountains anywhere near Iran or any other Country that just needs a reason to grab a person to hold them for ransom or make a spectacle out of them.
While America is wanting to build a wall to keep people out, and wanting to return them to the other side of our borders as quick as possible, these asshats are all about holding them in prison to extract something for them.