Forced immigration ordered from Brussels gets thumb in eye. Stiff upper lip and all that, you wankers.
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Forced immigration ordered from Brussels gets thumb in eye. Stiff upper lip and all that, you wankers.
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“You can vote your way into socialism, but you have to shoot your way out.” — Too fundamental to have an attribution
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It was much more than that. It included the loss of sovereignty to the huge redundant hierarchy of EU governance as well as the taxation.Originally Posted by wacojoe
The EU governing body built an entirely new "governing industry" where none was needed.
This could well be the beginning of the unraveling of the EU----a good idea that is now wagging the dog.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
"Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
“You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis
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Is it but one of the nodes of discontent with the "political elites" raising its head? If so, what does that portend for our coming election?
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“You can vote your way into socialism, but you have to shoot your way out.” — Too fundamental to have an attribution
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I'd rather not think of that
Make no mistake--not because I like Sec Clinton but rather because I believe Mr Trump would be worse than anything we have ever seen.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
"Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
“You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis
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How could he be worse than the last 8 years of a circus? Not only was Obama and his admin a disaster, he also had the leaders of the House and Senate involved in his corruption and blatant lies. Clinton would be the very worst thing that America could be given.
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Looks like the stock market took a big hit this morning because of it...At the same time gold and silver are on their way up......Ben
The future is forged on the anvil of history...The interpreter of history wields the hammer... - Unknown author...
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I have deep concerns, but future SCOTUS appointments sway my vote. The guy is an incorrigible source of idiotic statements. His response being reported about the outcome of Brexit was that the drop in value of the pound would help his (failing) golf resort in Scotland! What a maroon...I'd rather not think of that
Make no mistake--not because I like Sec Clinton but rather because I believe Mr Trump would be worse than anything we have ever seen.
Of course the flipside is that HerSelf is the most imminently blackmailable presidential timber in the history of presidents.
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“You can vote your way into socialism, but you have to shoot your way out.” — Too fundamental to have an attribution
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This is possibly the most disheartening discussion we have ever embarked on
I was thinking last night that the most positive thing about this political season might be that I haven't seen or heard the irritating voice of Sarah Palin recently.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
"Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
“You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis
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Pandora's box is wide open -Nationalist leaders in both Scotland and Northern Ireland ponder independence referendums http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/0...130431341.html
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I guess the Brits are tired of having somebody who does not live there tell them what to do, as well as taxing and making them take refugees they do not want. Sounds like the way people feel about some of the political ploys going on here. Hopefully this will become a good trend.
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As Ireland and Scotland ponder leaving the the Queen's "womb" the EU faces further departures, most likely the next vote will be France.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
"Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
“You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis
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I never understood the desire to join the EU...Seems like there'd be too much potential for too many riders, and not enough load-carriers...
The future is forged on the anvil of history...The interpreter of history wields the hammer... - Unknown author...
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You mean like Greece?I never understood the desire to join the EU...Seems like there'd be too much potential for too many riders, and not enough load-carriers...
This is your mind on drugs!
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It started out as a fairly simple concept---open borders, free trade, common currency---and then it began to grow warts.I never understood the desire to join the EU...Seems like there'd be too much potential for too many riders, and not enough load-carriers...
At the outset I loved it---I used to have a drawer half full of zip lock bags of money--all separated by country. Depending on my itinerary I would pull the needed stash and toss into my suitcase. That for most European trips got me down to three bags, Euro, Swiss Franc and British Pound. The Euro covered Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Austria, Greece, Belgium and the Netherlands.
As time went on it lost the initial value of simplification and replaced it with increasing complexity and restrictiveness. The European Countries have always (in my time there) had an air of "motherhood" about them but as the EU ages they became increasingly paternal---and overreaching. Just one simple example is what they have done with food regulations. It is one thing to regulate food sources in commerce but when it comes to regulating food gathered, grown, foraged, caught etc for your own use---which in many cases threaten the very traditions and heritage of people that have been doing these things for centuries--that crosses a line.
The EU has put themselves squarely in the position of big brother and increasingly the people have felt relegated to "subjects", without power or influence.
...not different than many people are feeling here.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
"Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
“You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis
Funny thing is the UK millenials are now bitching about how their future was compromised by the baby Boomers who voted overwhemingly for exit. It's a great civics lesson to them. They had a low turnout, didn't pay attention to politics and now they bitch that they were disenfranhised. hello you did nothing and got what you claim to have not wanted. Next time get off your asses, pay attention and get involved. GO Vote or be contentent when others make decisions for you. Bunch of self entitled little snots.....
"The only thing that we learn from torture is the depths of our own moral depravity"
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