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Thread: Batteries — The Holy Grail Of Viable Energy Storage

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    The next step, a stand alone home charger not dependent on the grid.
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    Forgive me if I missed it or just don't understand. $100 per kilowatt hour! It is referred to as a battery pack at one point that will cost the $100. That is good why? How many batteries will it take to power a car, what does a kilowatt hour cost now and what does that give us that we don't already have. Dave's point that was mentioned in the article about charging, will the system even support that. Cali has brown outs on hot days, add a few million cars charging......We'll need stand alone chargers, solar? Way to many questions that need to be answered before we can sell our cars.
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    Battery power would be a good idea, only drawback is weight of battery, the length of charge time as well as the run time of battery, including the life cycle of the charge/recharge limit. The drawback to batteries has always been those things. With lithium, it was heat and the battery having a meltdown. I had a buddy I work with that had his phone melt while he was sitting in his chair and his pants leg. Burned his leg before he could get it off.


    I had another friend that bought a small solar panel and mounted it to the roof of his UTV to keep his battery charged during the time he was not using it.

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    Slaying the gas car, passing the threshold? I guess I'm just looking at it wrong, sounds like a used car salesman. The other articles give MPG, size, the weight of the batteries etc...I'll look at it tomorrow and maybe it will make sense.
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    The latest promised “breakthrough” in battery technology —

    https://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-t...-to-700-miles/
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    Interesting---and once again we see that using today's technology to project tomorrow's limits is a fools game.
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    MIT joins the list of “promising battery technology” on improving lithium cells —

    https://newatlas.com/materials/mits-...-breakthrough/
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    And now for something old with a new twist: stored renewable energy for the grid. Sorry, no batteries here.

    https://www.fastcompany.com/90261233...iggest-problem

    Energy Vault, based in California and Switzerland, took inspiration from the way that some dams store energy–hydro plants pump water uphill when energy demand is low, and then produce energy by turning turbines as the water flows back down. The system works, but only in places where dams can physically be built; dams also harm fish, force people to relocate, and can burst and flood villages.

    Like dams, the new solution–a massive tower, roughly the height of a 35-story building–relies on gravity. But it doesn’t require water. When a wind or solar farm makes more energy than the grid needs, an automatic crane on the battery uses the extra electricity to lift a giant brick, weighing 35 metric tons, up to the top of the tower. “When that tower’s stacked, that’s all potential energy,” says Piconi. When the grid needs power, the crane automatically lowers a brick, using the kinetic energy to charge a generator.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CactusCurt View Post
    And now for something old with a new twist: stored renewable energy for the grid. Sorry, no batteries here.
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    Interesting application.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truckman View Post
    I see inflated prices for giant bricks on the horizon, all taxpayer-funded of course...Sorry it's the cynic in me......Ben
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    Quote Originally Posted by CactusCurt View Post
    I don't like sarcasm or cynics.
    Me too...We need to quit electing those guys......Ben
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    Man, I hope we're getting closer to better, lighter, batteries. I like Joe's coverage of them.

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    No matter the weight we still have to charge the batteries. Where do the nuts think it's going to take us. It's a good thing not slamming on it but we still have to produce energy and we already know wind and solar isn't going to do it. I get the impression that people think that once batteries are lighter that it is going to solve our energy problems.
    Windmills are filling up our couny side with unrecyclable trash, the blades are wearing out quicker than they can replace them and still build new windmills that are to last ten to fifteen years. Unless America starts subsidizing the worlds windmills? Nah people will still build them even though it's a lose lose situation, but then maybe we'll finally learn something after throwing a trillion in the trash.
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