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There's more to this than you've heard if the blog post below is correct.
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/...y-persecution/
Could the Feds be so callous and devious? I am waiting for their side of the story, but have no sympathy with the tactics making this issue come to light. It is a lengthy story, but I bet you will be interested as this confrontation plays out. It will be interesting to see how much of the background comes forward from Dave's MSM redoubts.
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The NYTs article on the "standoff," a fair appraisal, if not nearly as complete as the blog's above.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...gon-listy.html
In a sidebar it does mention that the men were convicted under an anti-domestic terrorist law for setting back-fires to control wildfires and improve ground cover, which jumped property lines into federal wilderness acreage.
The circumstances I am seeing here all seem to once again illustrate the old adage, "The law is an azs*," and I will add that a few of the people enforcing/using/abusing it are as well.
* alternate spelling to get around an overly intrusive and prudish board censor program
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A$$ works just as well Joe.
By what stretch of your imagination do you think these guys should "occupy" closed public buildings?
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You are not reading me, Fred. I wrote, "...but, (I) have no sympathy for the tactics used making this issue come to to light..."Originally Posted by FredK
Still don't. Doesn't mean there was no wrong done the ranchers though.
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Oh hell yes! And now there will be a lot more people going to jail. You've obviously forgot about Waco? There was also some other well publicized incidents of the feds getting carried away. There is no evil alive stronger then that which is backed up by the United States government!! You lose and you will pay, with your life if necessary!!!Could the Feds be so callous and devious?
President Obama is aware of the refuge standoff, but said it is a "local law enforcement matter"
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This is your mind on drugs!
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A lot has to do with mismanagement of fed land. I'll agree there. Its going on here to in Washington also. All those forest fires costing millions. We will keep spending millions fighting fires due to forest mismanagement. I'm sure the ranchers in Ore. are dealing with the same type of mismanagement of fed land.
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I can not see the length of the jail time involved for burning a measly small acreage as being justified. Why is this even an issue? Could it be that most of the people in charge of public offices have no common sense at all? When you can burn a town down like we saw in Ferguson and Baltimore and not one of them is charged anywhere close to these ranchers, there is something wrong with our legal system.
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The real scary part about all of this is there are people out there, mainly liberals, who believe that the govt deserves this kind of power. I think those involved on the govt side of this should be tried for extortion and abuse of power. It is pretty obvious they have done everything they could do to punish these ranchers.
The ranchers reported to jail today and the family still does not back what the takeover in Oregon is doing. They got royally screwed by the govt of the USA and hunted down like animals. I wonder if they were blacj if the media would take their side?? I can hear that blabber mouth now, "If I was a rancher, I would look just like these poor men who were treated unfairly".
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The articles I have read in the NYT I believe have been reasonably accurate. They remained focused on facts with little opinion being offered. They did not include the detail of the background--which I wish they had.
The link Joe provided is detailed--and disturbing. Some of it is BS--- case in point the claims about the first right of refusal guaranteeing only the BLM can buy the family ranch, that would be unlike any FRR I have seen. That aside, even if only half of the claims in that account are factual it still is enough to make the hair stand up on the neck of every American. My personal opinion----I believe these people have been mistreated.
I also agree with TX--- the penalty now being paid by the father and the son is onerous--- and claims of terrorism are simply hideous.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
"Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
“You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis
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Seems like I recall Eric Holder was involved in an armed protest takeover at an ROTC building when he was in school at Columbia. How many days did he serve in prison and was it also called terrorism?
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The Hammonds have nothing to do with the so called protest--- and have tried to distance themselves from that group.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
"Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." ---John W. Gardner
“You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ---C. S. Lewis
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is everyone discounting the story that the Hammonds burned the land to cover up poaching?
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I know that as well. Maybe the protesters are trying to generate attention to this miscarriage of justice by their actions. They have not fired a shot and have said they will not if they are not fired upon. IMHO this is a pretty rash way to bring attention to this, but it seems to be doing the trick to a certain extent. Instead of burning a city street down and endangering innocent lives, they have decided to "take over" an empty building, way away from any local innocent people, and are not causing any damage (so far) other than raising attention.The ranchers reported to jail today and the family still does not back what the takeover in Oregon is doing.
I wish the media would give this as much air time, to tell the real story without the bias or BS of any agenda, and just tell the atrocities that the feds have levied against these ranchers. This has not been a one time event and as the story shows, has been going on for decades. The govt has pulled stunts that should send the people involved in these ploys to trial and then to jail for their actions. I do not see how the liberal media can justify a thug robbing a store and then trying to shoot a cop as a wrong and yet turn a blind eye to this story. These people and many others all across the country have been fighting federal bureaucracies committing this type of crime for many decades. This kind of overreach should not be tolerated by the citizens of our Country.
We need a major housecleaning in every single govt office. It is time to remind these miscreants that the govt is there to serve the people, not the other way around.
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Why would you have to burn a few acres of land when all one would have to do is dig a hole and burn the carcasses? Just about every farm or ranch has a loader or a backhoe that could dig a 10' x 10' hole to bury anything that needed to be disposed of. Sounds like more BS spread by somebody that has no real clue about what really happened and is trying to make a story out of nothing and is hoping the public buys onto it. What is even more laughable is in a cattle operation you do have some that die, they would already have a burn pit or a dump to use without drawing any outside attention. The bones of the dead burned cattle or any other animals would fit right in without any coverup needed.is everyone discounting the story that the Hammonds burned the land to cover up poaching?
That is another reason why I am not buying into the hoopla story from a corrupt fed. The lies do not add up to what is believable in the real world and the spreading of that kind of BS just makes the feds look even more guilty.
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and further... wouldn't the terrorist act of 96 cover these burns as eco terrorism?
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