The Next Big One?

[DanH]

I literally remember or think I remember but either way Kennedy sent troops to Vietnam well before LBJ was president. I know your probably right, were those advisers that Kennedy was sending? By "starting" a war do you mean he escalated it into a full fledged conflict?

Kennedy sent a modest number of advisors and military trainers. None were or were authorized to engage in combat.

[TxMusky]

we never ACTUALLY sit on the sidelines. The US and Russia are the 1 and 2 largest arms dealers to the world. All wars are just wars between our countries by proxy, for profit

Have to agree with you there, it is also a testing ground for bigger and better weapons. Of course we would not sell them, but we will have "observers" there to keep track of and work out the bugs, then report back about any improvements or bugs that need to be made.

[07HEMI4ME]

I still have a problem killing Muslims just because they are Muslims, even though many of them have no qualms about slitting my throat just because I'm an American...

I suppose that's my fault for being raised as a civilized human being......Ben

Not not a fault and not bad to be civilized, that is what makes us who WE are. But there must come a time to stand up and not be slaughterer just for being an American.

Too defeat any enemy you must be willing to do what needs to be done and get your hands dirty, it is a nasty business but needs to be done.

[wacojoe]

To understand Islam's threat, you need to understand some of their history. Something I ran across on the web —

Liberals continue to look the other way in the face of worldwide Islamic Jihad threat. Islam is inherently violent. One only need to look at its teachings and how it spread in history.
This is not hate speech towards Muslims but just looking at facts of Islam. I have no hate towards Muslim as a people group. The majority are not violent jihadists. But they are this way precisely because they do not follow the Qur'an's teachings on Jihad. Islam was spread by the sword since almost it's very beginning. In 1400 years of relentless Jihad, Islam killed 270 million people and terrorized countless others across centuries. 60 million of them are Christian, and more Christians are being persecuted everyday by Islam.

Africa

Thomas Sowell [Thomas Sowell, Race and Culture, BasicBooks, 1994, p. 188] estimates that 11 million slaves were shipped across the Atlantic and 14 million were sent to the Islamic nations of North Africa and the Middle East. For every slave captured many others died. Estimates of this collateral damage vary. The renowned missionary David Livingstone estimated that for every slave who reached a plantation, five others were killed in the initial raid or died of illness and privation on the forced march.[Woman’s Presbyterian Board of Missions, David Livingstone, p. 62, 1888] Those who were left behind were the very young, the weak, the sick and the old. These soon died since the main providers had been killed or enslaved. So, for 25 million slaves delivered to the market, we have an estimated death of about 120 million people. Islam ran the wholesale slave trade in Africa. (Don't look now, but it still does)

120 million Africans

Christians

The number of Christians martyred by Islam is 9 million [David B. Barrett, Todd M. Johnson, World Christian Trends AD 30-AD 2200, William Carey Library, 2001, p. 230, table 4-10] . A rough estimate by Raphael Moore in History of Asia Minor is that another 50 million died in wars by jihad. So counting the million African Christians killed in the 20th century we have:

60 million Christians

Hindus

Koenard Elst in Negationism in India gives an estimate of 80 million Hindus killed in the total jihad against India. [Koenard Elst, Negationism in India, Voice of India, New Delhi, 2002, pg. 34.] The country of India today is only half the size of ancient India, due to jihad. The mountains near India are called the Hindu Kush, meaning the “funeral pyre of the Hindus.”

80 million Hindus

Buddhists

Buddhists do not keep up with the history of war. Keep in mind that in jihad only Christians and Jews were allowed to survive as dhimmis (servants to Islam) everyone else had to convert or die. Jihad killed the Buddhists in Turkey, Afghanistan, along the Silk Route, and in India. The total is roughly 10 million. [David B. Barrett, Todd M. Johnson, World Christian Trends AD 30-AD 2200, William Carey Library, 2001, p. 230, table 4-1.]

10 million Buddhists

Jews

Oddly enough there were not enough Jews killed in jihad to significantly affect the totals of the Great Annihilation. The jihad in Arabia was 100 percent effective, but the numbers were in the thousands, not millions. After that, the Jews submitted and became the dhimmis (servants and second class citizens) of Islam and did not have geographic political power.

This gives a rough estimate of 270 million killed by jihad.

I have not varified the citations included, but even if the figures are too high by half, the evil and threat that is Mohammedanism should be apparent.

[Dave Grubb]

You might find this of interest from the Pew Research Center.

Muslims are the fastest-growing religious group in the world. The growth and regional migration of Muslims, combined with the ongoing impact of the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) and other extremist groups that commit acts of violence in the name of Islam, have brought Muslims and the Islamic faith to the forefront of the political debate in many countries. Yet many facts about Muslims are not well known in some of these places, and most Americans – who live in a country with a relatively small Muslim population – say they know little or nothing about Islam.

Here are answers to some key questions about Muslims, compiled from several Pew Research Center reports published in recent years:

[wacojoe]

It is coming to light that the latest abominable massacre by Muzzies in Bangladesh was carried out by seven highly educated scions of wealthy families, not the pitiful poor of that pest-hole of humanity as one might suspect. Humanity has a strange affinity for belief in murderous religious thought, which has been borne out for aeons of history. None, however, is as virulently murderous and oppressive as Mohammedanism has proved to be.

In this attack, the Jihadis seperated out and butchered (literally) foreigners and those who could not recite Quranic babble. Included in the dead were 7 Japanese aid workers in the country who had come to relieve suffering of the masses of Muslim poor.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/04/wo...rism.html?_r=0

[FredK]

Kennedy sent a modest number of advisors and military trainers. None were or were authorized to engage in combat.

First was Dwight D. Eisenhower, who sent "advisers" to survey, train and report back on the conflict. Then Kennedy and finally LBJ.

[Truckman]

First was Dwight D. Eisenhower, who sent "advisers" to survey, train and report back on the conflict. Then Kennedy and finally LBJ.

Go back a little further, Fred...

Wilson ignores petition by Ho Chi Minh for help in creating Vietnam independent from French rule and led by nationalist government.

Ho Chi Minh was naive enough to think that the USA would want to help a country trying to escape colonial rule...He then turned to the Communist party, and spent the next 30 years living in foreign countries (including America, Russia and China) studying other cultures before returning to Vietnam to find a way to establish a nationalist government...

Lieutenant Colonel Albert Peter Dewey was the first American military casualty of the modern Vietnamese conflict during the Truman administration after being mistaken for a Frenchman (what a particularly ignonimous way to die)..."A Time For War" gives a good timeline for the political history of Vietnam from 1945 to 1975...It's on the Truckman Recommended Reading List......Ben

[Polly Goodnight]

I literally remember or think I remember but either way Kennedy sent troops to Vietnam well before LBJ was president. I know your probably right, were those advisers that Kennedy was sending? By "starting" a war do you mean he escalated it into a full fledged conflict?

Actually, the fuse for that war was lit on 28 June 1919 with the signing of the
Treaty of Versailles

[angelaerin]

it's very ridiculous .......