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    My apologies...

    I offer my sincere apologies to the loyal reader(s) of my news blog for not updating any articles this weekend...Slacker that I am, I went instead to the Aeros & Autos show at Ellington Field in Houston where I entered my Challenger in the show...

    The cost wasn't that much more than a spectator entry fee, and I got a t-shirt, a goodie bag and I didn't have to walk to and from the parking lot with the unwashed masses...Here's a link to the pics I took: https://picasaweb.google.com/1129622...erosAutos51615

    The one below is the Collings Foundation F-4D, the only civilian owned Phantom which can be legally owned and operated...





    Unfortunately some homeless derelict inserted himself in the second picture, ruining what might have been a good shot...

    This is not the original A/C flown by Col. Olds...This one was originally an F-4D USAF # 65-0749 which was sold to Collings...USAF # 63-7680 was a "C" model assigned to Olds when he assumed command of the 8th TFW in Thailand...He gave it the name "Scat XXVII" (it was his 27th assigned aircraft)...

    He always said it was his favorite...In his honor, the Collings Foundation gave the "D" model the exact same paint scheme as the "C" model wore on the day he shot down his first MIG, numbers and all...That's why it only has one star on the splitter vane...He eventually shot down four MIG's and he left it with four stars on the vane...With his eleven WWII victories, this made him a triple ace, the only one that fought in both wars...

    I found a smaller tail number for the civilian designation issued to the Collings Foundation (shown in the below pic)...It took an act of Congress to enable the Collings Foundation to own and operate this one...



    Col. Olds led his group on Operation Bolo shortly after his arrival in Thailand flying Scat XXVII...Below is his own after action report of that day:
    “At the onset of this battle, the MiGs popped up out of the clouds. Unfortunately, the first one to pop through came up at my 6 o’clock position. I think this was more by chance than by design. As it turned out, within the next few moments, many others popped out of the clouds in varying positions around the clock.
    “This one was just lucky. He was called out by the second flight that had entered the area, they were looking down on my flight and saw the MiG-21 appear. I broke left, turning just hard enough to throw off his deflection, waiting for my three and four men to slice in on him. At the same time I saw another MiG pop out of the clouds in a wide turn about my 11 o’clock position, a mile and a half away. I went after him and ignored the one behind me. I fired missiles at him just as he disappeared into the clouds.
    “I’d seen another pop out in my 10 o’clock position, going from my right to left; in other words, just about across the circle from me. When the first MiG I fired at disappeared, I slammed full afterburner and pulled in hard to gain position on this second MiG. I pulled the nose up high about 45 degrees, inside his circle. Mind you, he was turning around to the left so I pulled the nose up high and rolled to the right. This is known as a vector roll. I got on top of him and half upside down, hung there, and waited for him to complete more of his turn and I timed it so that as I continued to roll down behind him, I’d be about 20 degrees angle off and about 4,500 to 5,000 feet behind him. That’s exactly what happened. Frankly, I’m not sure he ever saw me. When I got down low and behind, and he was outlined by the sun against a brilliant blue sky, I let him have two Sidewinders, one of which hit and blew his right wing off”
    The same aircraft was later assigned to another aircrew, and was shot down by AA fire while attacking a SAM site...The WSO survived the bailout and was rescued...The pilot took it to the jungle floor, and is still listed as MIA...

    ...Ben
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    That same bum was later found loitering around my car (shown below) which I blame for my lack of a trophy...The judges evidently deducted points thinking he was part of the display...He was later lured off the field with the promise of a sandwich, and told not to come back ever again...

    And people ask me why I carry a gun......Ben

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    Nice pics Ben

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    Thanks, James...
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    The vagrant looks like he has been feeding off some nice juice trash bins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wacojoe View Post
    The vagrant looks like he has been feeding off some nice juice trash bins.
    One man's trash bin is another man's grocery store, Joe......Ben
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    And "vagrant" is so passé...Some of us prefer the term, "undocumented, displaced, former wage earner"......Ben
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    Did the F4 utilize a drag chute when not landing on a carrier? What is that little door at the aft end of the fuselage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillbo View Post
    Did the F4 utilize a drag chute when not landing on a carrier? What is that little door at the aft end of the fuselage?
    You guessed it...Pick your prize from category "A"...

    Also, all F-4's, whether for Navy, Marine or Air Force use, had a functional tailhook...Some, but not all, land bases had arrestor cables at the end of the runway in case of complete brake failure...My base at Spangdahlem was equipped, but I never heard of it being used...With 13,000 feet of concrete, they could just about roll to a stop...

    Somebody else at the show asked me what the little door was for...Apparently I look old enough to have been there...Here's a pic I took in 2012 showing the chute deployed......Ben

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    I can't imagine the cost of keeping the aircraft flight worthy or even of the fuel while in the air. It would have to be a labor of love of some kind by aging airmen (sorry!) from the era who know what they are doing. If that baby flames out it has the glide ratio of a rock, so care must be meticulous. I suspect the authorities cringe at private ownership because they are so dangerous to fly and maintain and chances they will crash.

    I remember a story some years back of an ex-Air Force flyer who amazingly cobbled together his own F-104 from spare parts and old wreckage and actually flew the thing to records. It crashed while trying to set a climb speed record, or some such.

    Here we go -
    http://yarchive.net/mil/private_f104.html

    On edit: Here's something which seems to indicate private F-104's are available for rides! No cost is mentioned or date on the promo. Zounds!

    http://www.flyastarfighter.com/starf...arfighter.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by wacojoe View Post
    If that baby flames out it has the glide ratio of a rock
    You might be surprised...On 6 December 1959, the second XF4H-1 performed a zoom climb to a world record 98,557 ft (30,040 m).[4][34] Commander Lawrence E. Flint, Jr., USN accelerated his aircraft to Mach 2.5 (1,650 mph; 2,660 km/h) at 47,000 ft (14,330 m) and climbed to 90,000 ft (27,430 m) at a 45° angle. He then shut down the engines and glided to the peak altitude. As the aircraft fell through 70,000 ft (21,300 m), Flint restarted the engines and resumed normal flight....Climbing 8,000 feet with no power is a fairly airworthy "rock"...

    Here's another story of a severely shot up Navy F-4...To make it even stranger, read to the end to see where the pilot's life wound up...Hero to zero...

    If you get "Dogfights" on the Military History Channel, you can see a CGI re-enactment of this flight...If my memory is working today, the pilot had so few controls left, he had to flip the Phantom on its back just to stay in the air long enough to reach the sea where they could bail out...Quite a "rock"......Ben
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    Quote Originally Posted by wacojoe View Post
    Here's something which seems to indicate private F-104's are available for rides! No cost is mentioned or date on the promo. Zounds!
    You can take a ride in the back seat of the Collings Foundation's F-4 for a mere $12,000.00 which includes the two-day flight school...As a bonus, if you puke in the flight helmet during your ride, you get to wash it out yourself just like the real pilots...Zounds indeed!......Ben
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    Did he shut down at 90K due to a lack of oxygen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillbo View Post
    Did he shut down at 90K due to a lack of oxygen?
    That's my guess...The air gets a little thin at that altitude...If this brings to mind the scene from "The Right Stuff" wherein Chuck Yeager bails out of his powerless NF-104, here are a few things not mentioned in the script...And next time you see the movie, look for Yeager himself as Fred the bartender at Pancho's......Ben
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truckman View Post
    And next time you see the movie, look for Yeager himself as Fred the bartender at Pancho's...
    One of my all time favorite movies. I've noticed Yeager's cameo as the bartender.

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