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Thread: Relative Value Of Mandated Corn Ethanol

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    Quote Originally Posted by blaze View Post
    I read or heard somewhere that Scott's of one of the home fertilizer manufacturers has taken the prosperous out of their products. Nitrates are what doom the waters wells here if they are in the vicinity of wheat fields where they commonly use stinky anhydrous ammonia for nitrogen.
    Nitrates is what's left after bacteria eat the nitrogen. Nitrogen as Dave said is easy to get rid of it's that pesky bi-product nitrate that is hard to get rid of. The bacteria that eats Nitrates is aerobic and takes a while to develop because oxygen is rather hard to avoid, so to speak.
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    If you ever have a salt water aquarium, you'll learn about nitrates and nitrites really fast.

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    One more reason to be against ethanol mandates — massive fraud selling phony government renewables credits.

    ...The tale of Philip Joseph Rivkin (aka Felipe Poitan Arriaga) reveals an equally disgusting aspect of the mandate, resulting from the absurdly complex Renewable Identification Number (RIN) system devised by EPA bureaucrats. As Ron Arnold explains in our book, Cracking Big Green, EPA requires that every gallon of biofuel must also have its own unique 38-digit RIN. That’s billions of RINs per year!

    “Dry” RIN paper credits are supposed to be associated with actual “wet” gallons of biofuel: corn-based ethanol, biomass-based diesel or nonexistent “advanced cellulosic” fuels. When fuels are not available, refiners can buy RINs from another party that was able to blend the fuel. This “tradable credits” market creates irresistible opportunities for “entrepreneurs” like Rivkin, whose Green Diesel company sold phony biodiesel RINs to oil companies and brokers.

    Between 2011 and 2012, Rivkin sold $29 million worth of phony RINs, without producing a single gallon of anything. Secret Service agents arrested him last year in Houston, after he had been expelled from Guatemala, where he had falsely claimed to be a citizen. He plead guilty and now faces ten years in prison, millions of dollars in fines, and the forfeiture of his Lamborghini, Maserati, Canadair LTD plane, $29 million in cash, and an art collection valued in the millions.

    His escapade copied what Rodney Hailey pulled off in Perry Hall, Maryland. He rented a garage, filled it with pipes, tanks and pumps (none connected to one another), registered his Clean Green Fuel company with EPA, put up a fancy website, and claimed he would produce 20 million gallons of biodiesel annually from recycled cooking oil. Through a network of traders, Hailey sold more than 32 million bogus RINs for $9 million, while still collecting unemployment.

    Eventually, his fancy house, 20 luxury cars and lavish lifestyle attracted law enforcement. In 2013, he was sentenced to 12-1/2 years in prison and ordered to pay more than $42 million in restitution: his sleazy profits plus what his victims had to pay for valid replacement RINs.

    The good news is that Rivkin and Hailey will have to pay for their fraudulent actions. (How many other biofuel crooks have not been caught we have no way of knowing.) The bad news is that the RIN system is still in place, under a misguided federal law that benefits almost no one outside the biofuel industry. The worse news is that the cost of their fraud pales by comparison to the lies and fraud perpetrated by EPA and its climate crisis, clean energy and ultra-pure air allies.

    Since the biofuel mandate was imposed in 2005 and expanded in 2007 under the Renewable Fuel Standard, it has sent billions of taxpayer and motorist dollars to corn farmers and ethanol producers. It has cost consumers countless billions in reduced mileage, higher food prices, and repairs to their cars, trucks, boats, snowmobiles, chain saws and other small engine equipment. The corn converted into biofuel each year is enough to feed 412 million malnourished people in African and other countries...

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    It is very disheartening to watch as most Republican politicians genuflect to this sacred political cow as they tramp through Iowa. Some, like Walker, even do backflips changing positions.
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    Can you imagine the fraud that would ensue if the libs got all of their global warming gobble-de-gook passed? It is all about the money, always has been, and the politicians already have a plan to make theirs. The way to keep fraud from happening is to limit any power the govt has, that way the crooks will quit running for office because it is no fun and is more like a regular job that pays little.

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    make$ you wonder if we didn't have lobbyi$t and had real term limit$

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    It also harms bees because of the lack of diversity of food supplies. This also has an impact on butterflies that rely on weeds
    such as milk weed that used to grow on the marginal land that was not used for farming.

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    ANybody remember the MTBE fiasco?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TxMusky View Post
    ANybody remember the MTBE fiasco?
    Yea, what's the current standing I wonder? I don't think that stuff went away did it? It had a astronomical half life, I think.
    Just looked, the sun can degrade it when it's a gas but when in water it sticks to certain molecules and settles to the bottom of said body of water. "When it water it stays a long time!" It can cause liver and kidney cancer depending on exposure times or consumption amounts.
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    Yep and it was mandated to be used in fuel. Govt and politicians should concentrate on the Constitution and not making themselves and their buddies rich.

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    The EPA has announced rules to decrease the required volume of ethanol in the nation's fuel mix. It is unclear if the thinking there is based on an understanding of the foolishness of the rule in the first place or merely that current volume requirements of ethanol into lower overall fuel consumption would necessarily make a mix too high in ethanol for many cars and service stations to use. Read the article for abetter explanation —

    http://www.greencarreports.com/news/...t-for-gasoline
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    The writing has been on the wall with this for some time. The ignorance of basing the rules of usage for ethanol as an absolute volume rather than a % of the gasoline mixture was beautiful----the corn lobby walked right in---smiling all the way
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    The mandate should be reversed lock, stock & barrel, not ooched down a tiny bit.
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    Not if you are pandering for the farm vote

    It's not about what is right for the country---it's all about what is right for the special interests---and the politicians jobs.
    "A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
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    From what I can glean, the only pols still in the race who oppose the ethanol mandate are Ted Cruz, George Pataki, Carly Fiorina, Bernie Sanders & Martin O'Malley. Ben Carson's stance is strange. He said he is for repealing the mandate but "Therefore, I would probably be in favor of taking that $4 billion a year we spend on oil subsidies and using that in new fueling stations for 30 percent ethanol blends..."
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    He's starting to sound like a politician.
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