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    Something Monstrous In The Senate This Way Comes

    The forces who know best how you must live are at it again in the Senate.

    ...beneath the glaze, there's a clot of overpowering government spending and social engineering.

    For example, electric vehicles are pushed via the bill's "Promoting Electric Vehicles Act of 2010." No surprise here, particularly since the government has a 61% stake in General Motors and Chevy's electro-mobile, the Volt. Besides this Act allowing the feds to spend $25 million on new electric cars for their official fleet, there's an astounding electric car welfare program. Section 2116 explains that 400,000 such vehicles will be virtually given away at low cost -- or perhaps no cost -- to people living in "selected communities diverse in population" and "demographics."

    Additionally, pages 264-265 require that any new construction or remodel of an existing structure must include the installation of proper hookups for charging an electric vehicle. So even if you have no intention of owning such a car, adding that extra bedroom will require you to spend additional money to install battery-charging infrastructure in your garage.

    ...And there's bait to entice truck owners to switch from traditional petroleum to natural gas. Section 2002 describes federal rebates, ranging from $8,000 for large pickups to $64,000 for heavy-duty Class 6 trucks weighing 26,000 pounds, available for those who install the equipment to make the fuel swap. And government grants (not loans) of up to $50,000 are available for gas stations to install natural gas refueling pumps... (call this last one the Pickens Act for the gasman who has demanded it)
    http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/...enate_ene.html
    But wait, just as Pickens thought he was home free, the same forces that giveth can taketh away -

    Shale Gas has the potential to bring manifold benefits to Americans: cheap and plentiful, relatively green and clean burning, located in vast swaths underneath our feet (and not offshore or in foreign lands filled with people happy to take our money but who also hate us and who can who can turn the spigot off at will).
    All good reasons in Majority Leader Harry Reid's mind to sabotage our tapping of this vast reserve of energy:
    The fight over the Senate offshore drilling "spill bill" shifted Wednesday from the Gulf of Mexico to the mountains of western Pennsylvania, as Republicans slammed the last-minute inclusion of language to regulate a controversial technique to extract onshore natural gas.
    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) added the language last night requiring natural gas drillers to disclose the chemicals they pump into the ground as part of the hydraulic fracturing, or hydro-fracking, process.

    ...Sen. James Inhofe (R-Okla.) said the new requirements could effectively end onshore natural gas production.

    Why does Reid have to pull these un-democratic stunts? Because he can? Because powerful Democratic donors (including the Democratic party Sugar Daddy George Soros) wants to kill off carbon and spend tens of billions of dollars on green schemes that reward their "clean" energy ventures . These ventures only "work" (i.e., become profitable for their investors) when carbon energy becomes very expensive (hence cap and tax); or when billions in taxpayer dollar subsidies are funneled to them; or when government-ordered mandates require utilities, companies and consumers to buy "renewable" energy...
    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/...st_one_to.html
    The kicker is that whatever may be passed on energy in the Senate will then be combined in reconciliation during the post-election lame duck period without any Republicans in the room.

    If the Senate bites on this legislation, an airsickness bag will be required. The bill will go to committee, be conjoined with the massive House plan, and be presented to a lame duck Congress who will ram the bad medicine down our throats.
    As bad as the Senate bill is, it cannot compare to the previously squeaked through House energy bill which was variously described at the time of passage (passed before Health Care Reform) as the "worst," "most corrupt," "Ugliest bill ever passed," "worst House arm-twisting of all time," etc. The combination of two ghastly bills can only result in a more ghastly abomination.

    The Senate bill may be voted on this week.
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    Obama and his liberal Buddy's will try to shove a whole bunch of bad bills on us before we take over.
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    Well since there are too many unlisted chemicals used to frack the gas and causing wide spread water well pollution I would think that's a great idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FredK View Post
    I would think that's a great idea.
    I would expect nothing less from someone sitting fat and happy in Arizona with no need for natural gas.

    Most of the country needs the gas for heating, cooking, cooling and electric generation. That doesn't even begin to address all of the other uses for natural gas, such as fertilizer, plastics, fabrics etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    I would expect nothing less from someone sitting fat and happy in Arizona with no need for natural gas.

    Most of the country needs the gas for heating, cooking, cooling and electric generation. That doesn't even begin to address all of the other uses for natural gas, such as fertilizer, plastics, fabrics etc.
    And those who's drinking water has been effect by the chemicals are to do what??????
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    Quote Originally Posted by FredK View Post
    Well since there are too many unlisted chemicals used to frack the gas and causing wide spread water well pollution I would think that's a great idea.
    Shows what you dont know. When a well is fraced it is far beyond the "surface water" used for water wells. The hole passing thru the fresh water zones have been cased off and cemented in at least one time possibly 2. The oil zone will not intermingle with the water zone because if it did......your water well would be producing oil!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FredK View Post
    And those who's drinking water has been effect by the chemicals are to do what??????
    I am my own water company.

    I have two water wells on my property because I bought an adjacent lot where a house burned. I am also in an oil and gas producing area. If I should have a problem , extremely unlikely, I go to the producers here to make things right. Not a problem I'm going to lose any sleep over because it is about as likely to happen as a meteor striking my house. If it does, the Texas Railroad Commission will see to it that things are made right. Yes, that is correct, the Texas Railroad Commission is the regulator. I think I knew why, but I forget.
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    The Railroad Commission has primary regulatory jurisdiction over oil and natural gas industry, pipeline transporters, natural gas & hazardous liquid pipeline industry, natural gas utilities, the LP-gas industry, and coal & uranium surface mining operations. The Commission is responsible for research & education to promote the use of LP-gas as an alternative fuel.
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    i am not fat.... but i am happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillbo View Post
    i am not fat.... but i am happy.
    And I'm happy for ya!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    And I'm happy for ya!
    Are you happy for me to? I'm afraid your confusing some of them with to many facts big guy.
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    There are a lot of reasons to know what is in fracking fluids--and yes I have some skin in the game--I sit on top of a well.

    No other industry can have chemicals on-site without the proper documentation (MSDS sheets)--how is it these guys can enjoy exemption? The stated "proprietary defense is BS---there are any number of proprietary chemical cocktails that have MSDS sheets.

    As for the claim that fracking fluid never gets into the ground water---horse ****. There are spills--and even cases here of dumping spent fluid down abandoned oil wells and into creeks.

    Beyond disclosure of the chemical components the fracking companies should be required to add a unique chemical tracer for obvious reasons.

    As for Sen Inhofe--he just might be the only Senator dumber than Sen Reid.
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    When you add that kitchen island your wife has been grumbling about for years, aren't you just going to love having to add a couple G's to the tab to put in the government mandated hook-ups for that electric car you don't have?

    ...Additionally, pages 264-265 require that any new construction or remodel of an existing structure must include the installation of proper hookups for charging an electric vehicle. So even if you have no intention of owning such a car, adding that extra bedroom will require you to spend additional money to install battery-charging infrastructure in your garage...
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    Your wife will love it Joe--just think---you won't have to keep your battery operated string trimmer on the kitchen counter to recharge--finally you'll have an outlet in the garage
    "A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty” ---Sir Winston Churchill
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    I imagine that if I use a Level Two car charger (220v) on my string trimmer, I might not enjoy the result, however, I am sure electricians everywhere and GE will love the new requirement. (Did I say that GE is one of Sen. Reid's biggest party benefactors?)


    GE's WattStation will be ready to recharge cars next year. (GE photo)


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